Lol 80% of it is about the angle, that's awesome.

LOL. Pretty good description of what happened imo

Screen scrapes will be needed here as Mr. T. will complain and have the offending paragraph removed. My Gawd, his mother can read this !! ....or turn over in her grave.

In 2017, Torelli was heavily criticized in the poker community for allegedly engaging in angleshooting during a televised episode of Poker Night in America.[4] This included criticism from well-known poker professional Doug Polk. [5] During the hand, larger denomination chips totaling $10,000 were hidden behind smaller denomination chips in Torelli's stack of poker chips. This is against the rules of poker, where larger denomination chips have to be in plain view. Accordingly, Torelli's opponent believed that Torelli only had approximately $10,000 instead of approximately $20,000. This influenced the opponent's play, who ended up losing $10,000 more than he believed was at stake. Torelli also misrepresented to the casino floor the placement of his chips when attempting to explain and justify the situation. Following the hand, Torelli boasted that he used his opponent's surprise at the discovery of the high-value chips as a "read" to determine that his opponent's hand was mediocre. [6] Later, Torelli posted a video on youtube faulting his opponent for not knowing Torelli's chip stack size. [7][8]

I mean it's funny but for sure it isn't noteworthy enough to be included in his wikipedia page. I mean ffs Alex Torelli shouldn't even have a wikipedia page, hes' just some rando poker player. Who cares.

Although someone needs to update Alex's wiki page with an image. I'm pretty sure you guys know which one to use...

who said it's supposed to be funny? what alec did is not at all funny and very much noteworthy of being on his wikipedia page.

It should mention that he added on secretly north of the max buyin, and his excuse for just winning the orange chips that caused the gray chips to be blocked was totally incorrect. That makes it way less believable that the chips were hidden by mistake.

I would be very interested to see what Doug's updated views are now that these new facts have come out. Does he still think Alec didn't intentionally hide the chips? Then again he just won the one drop so probably has better things to do than address this again.

Lol still no response from Turdrelli? I understand not wanting to falsely accuse someone, but at what point does the "allegedly" part get dropped? It seems pretty clear cut, whether or not Turdrelli originally intended to angle, he did in fact take advantage of the situation and conveniently altered the facts for his benefit. Just to be clear, in my opinion he knew what he was doing from the get go and clearly intended to use the hidden chips to try and get unstuck.

is one of the many scums that poker community has, all of them should have a wiki page so that every player (professional or recreational) can identify them and avoid playing with them.

Ok. Well unless I've missed something, which I haven't, I do understand the situation, and I disagree that it's the same, in fact I am very sure it isn't, you think it's not and thats fine, we can still be friends.

If you don't comfirm how much you're going all in for when you go all in, then you're going all-in for unspecified amount. That it pretty simple and no amount of angling changes that.

Bad news for you DOMN, there is NO upside for Alec to post a response here.

Uh it's not up to you to decide whether other people can be friends with someone who supports cheating.

If I were him, I would just pay up the money to try to rejuvenate my image. I don't know his financial situation or anything though. Wouldn't that be a good way for him to respond?

That would help his image.

It'll be interesting to see how long his reputation is tainted. It was on a much larger scale, but I'm reminded of the Fine Brothers "React" situation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_B...ld_controversy)

I remember during the time of the outrage they lost a big chunk of subscribers and their videos were being widely disliked, but fast forward 16 months and they've regained all subscriber losses and more, their like/dislike ratios are back to very high levels and their video comments contain pretty much no mention of the controversy. The key thing may be that they quickly retracted all their trademark actions. Or maybe the fact that people will gradually forget over time played a part in it. We'll see if Alec can make things right.

Quite false imo. Your image in the poker world matters, with an angleshooter image you will find less games to play. For Alec 10k isn't a huge deal. If he would post something like "What's up guys, Alec Torelli here, I handled this situation quite wrong and I apologize, I was stuck and tilted and not thinking straight. Since I think Daniel isn't innocent and should have inquired for my stack before moving in, I disagree returning him any money. Instead I propose to donate 10k to any good cause chosen by him. Hope that will settle it and we can move on with our poker lives. Thanks. Alec."

whats the big deal here, we have all been stuck and put more money on the table without telling anyone, your stuck and mad, the last thing you think about is telling people u wanna stackem.

reloading to more than the max and then hiding your chips is the big deal. if you'd have read the thread this would have been pretty obvious.

Yup, anyone who's played in live poker games with a max buy-in would know that this is abhorrent. It wouldn't even be considered an angle where I play. It would be considered cheating.

That's a losing post by Mr. T. He would be out $10K that he feels is his. He seems to be the type of person that can not see past: I legally own this money.

Also his apology needs to specifically respond to secretly going 'north'. That lone aspect of this hand is the fulcrum.

I just dont think this is a big deal.

If you think that tricking your opponent so he thinks you only have half the stack you actually have isn't a big deal you must not play poker.

I know it's a hypothetical but the charity card is usually played when there's not as clear an answer on who's more in the wrong on each side. Sort of the Solomon approach.

However, I think it's been made quite clear who's in the wrong on this one and therefore the charity play would be almost as tilting as the discount offer on action.

imo

He already said he promises his response would be worth the wait. That would be a pretty weird thing to say if he then responded like that, although it's a weird thing to say regardless. He has backed himself into a corner because the longer the wait is, the better his response needs to be for his promise to be kept, and it's already been pretty long.

Does he have a charity of his own? Would be amazing if he donates to his own charity.