Man you people are all so naive and clueless looking for reasons why it isn't an angle or only a partial one.

your opinions on this are just plain wrong. clearly you dont understand the situation.

this situation is no different than him pulling extra money out of his pocket to play with and putting them on the table in real time.

this. math has no religion

he still has his his video up of him lying about the hand

"(misread) ALL IN on the preflop! Poker High Stakes Cash Game █-█otD 68"

read through the comments from 11months back Torrelli is a pos

Phillip Petters 11 months ago
you should definitely take a closer look at your opponent chips 

Alec Torelli11 months ago
Expensive lesson indeed!

Yea most of the times I've been significantly angled it was an expensive lesson indeed.

Dude is a dead eyed sociopath

that yoga pic is absolutely amazing

the fact the max buyin was 20'000 and he had 25 on table without any significant winning hand/stuck a lot makes it even scummier, even straight up cheating probably.

He is just pure soul, he is acting in unity with his nature Like little puppy chasing ball.

Here's a link to that cringe worthy video made by Alec, if you don't mind giving him some views for the lulz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv5q7HBXCU

This is a pretty simple situation. Alec can't offer to have the 10k just not play during the hand because Wolf's response will betray the strength of his hand, ignoring any psychological bull**** where he can try to level Alec by saying he doesn't want the 10k to play even though he holds a strong hand. Therefore, the 10k must play. If Alec decides to call, before his opponent's holding is known or the board is run, Alec should offer his opponent some form of compensation in the event that he wins the hand.

At most, Alec should offer to give back the entire 10k and allow himself to be freerolled for his mistake.

At the least, Alec should offer to give back Wolf his aipf equity out of the additional 10k and allow himself to be freerolled for his mistake.

There is no situation in which Alec should not get freerolled for some portion of 10k here if he calls and wins.

+1 and more

Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk

100%

Essentially the AQ guy put chips that weren't in play onto the table with some sleight of hand. The fact that they were on the table during the hand is irrelevant because that information wasn't available to any of the other players. That is clearly against the rules of a table stakes game.

Alec Torelli believed he was just abiding by the ruling of the floorman, but that person didn't have all of the information available to us now. What he must do is clear: if Wolf knew he had the chips, he would have most likely folded. If Wolf won the hand, he would have been entitled to the whole pot; so Torelli should give him the amount of money that he put in after the 3 bet minus his EV in the pot.

I'm not understanding this comment. Some players could see the chips.

Haha nice.

And not for nothing, huge props to that YouTube user for going through the video with such scrutiny. I'm half-skimming this thread so perhaps I missed it -- is he/she a 2p2er? Either way, well done.

And if you want to watch Alec's video without giving him the views, watch Doug Polk's vid instead. He breaks it down pretty well, and rather humorously.



(Yeah, it was posted above but might as well save people the search.)

Wolf said that it "seems as though not a single person on set knew of those chips", though he had just mentioned the on-screen graphics so maybe he meant the production staff. Regardless, the information was not available to all players, and a player shouldn't have to look out for another player going north while tracking stacks. The spirit of the comment is pretty understandable.

when you say some players there is no way anyone but the guy to torellis right can see those chips

Actually there would have only been two players that could have seen the hidden chips- Torelli, and the player sitting to Torelli's right.

At 10.50 in Polk's excellent video Torelli says he had just won the chips, so he was saying he must have either won a $5K chip in one hand, or two $5k chips in one hand.

Surprisingly, he forgot to mention that he had surreptitiously added them into the game. Fortunately, with the benefit of the film evidence, Torelli can now have his memory refreshed, and remember this thing he had just so happened to have forgotten to mention.

I would love to hear Polk's updated views on Torelli for smuggling chips into a game. I liked his balanced views on the original case, intrigued to know how he sees the updated situation.

thisgonbegood.gif

I really wonder what he has to say at this point.

SCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM