Oh wow that explanation makes a ton of sense. I assumed a 25/50 game would be uncapped, but if he was stuck and going north that's probably why he hid them. Since that's clearly the reason he did it, that makes his claim that "they were here" even worse because he knew they were hidden because he hid them intentionally. I feel like going north is pretty low on list of things that are technically illegal in poker, but as a few people have mentioned it's not hard to just put them on top when no one's looking. And at the very least as the pot gets big, it's on him to put the chips in clear view and it wouldn't hurt to be like "oh hey guys I have two silvers just so you know".

As for selling his action at a discount as working it out (was it still marked up just less marked up than he thought his edge was?), just ****ing lol. If he tried to pull that **** with me I'd be like, oh your edge in the game is 100/hr (just making up a number)? I want to play in the game too and I want you to give me some neutral-ev betting action. We can play for however long and if you win at 100/hr we break even every dollar over 100/hr you make I owe you $100 every dollar below you owe me $100. So if you break even you owe me 10k. Again just making up numbers but:

1. if he said what his hourly is, it's 100% to be inflated, so it would definitely be +ev
2. For him to turn it down would either be admitting he was lying about his hourly or admitting he wants to work out a deal because he feels he owes something yet won't offer a neutral ev bet.

Jezus ****ing christ circumstantial evidence is building up in quite a pace.

Look, I get why he did what he did. He is tilted out of his ****** mind and wants to add chips. Unfortunately the rules of the game tell him he can't but he wants to anyways. There is literally no way that someone who has been stuck he whole game is now suddenly 5k above the maximum buy in. He tried to cover the obvious fish in the game without anyone noticing.

Any live reg who who knows how tilting it is to play in such a soft game and end up losing is going to be tempted to add on more than he is allowed. To be honest at some point I have added more chips than the game allowed when I was losing. That was against the rules and I am not proud of it.

However the occasion that I did this I did not hide those chips. Any person at the table and anyone not blind in a 20 meter radius could see how many chips I had. The game was pretty deep and I didn't think anyone would have a problem with it but if they did they could clearly see how much I had in front of me.

Look Alec, we have all been there before. It is very tempting to just add more money because you're stuck but if you get caught you have to own up to it. Especially the hiding part is what bothers me because it is what caused this whole mess. If you simply put a bunch of silver in front of your stack and have 50k in front of you then at least everyone at the table knows is, and if they don't like it they can speak up. It's still against the rules but at least you are fair to the people in the hand you are in. If you get caught doing stuff like this and you don't recognize that you were the cause of this and don't want to correct your mistake then that's on you.

I was pretty neutral in this because there was no real reason to angle someone until I realized that in order to buy in for that much you had to break the max buy in rule. You know how much the buy in is and so you darn well know that people don't expect someone who is losing to be deeper than 20k.

This is just a ****ing joke. Alec needs to come here and explain himself fast. This is beyond an angle if the assumptions I made are true, it's just cheating. Also **** you and **** your ****ing video. It's insulting and you should take it down. Also I hope you accidentally penetrate your anus with a broken bottle.

rofl

I reckon this is worth quoting an old post of mine about Jim Caroll doing this (yes I feel silly quoting myself).

What's the deal with the name Soggy Cakes? Was Tres Leches already taken?

I agree. In the games I've played going North is super normal and widely accepted among pros. If someone goes North no one will even bat an eye. I think people would be shocked at the things pros will do at this level to increase their EV. For instance, a blackjack playing pro using another pros rewards card at the tables in order to get the $1/hr in food comps.

I'm sure most pros think they are good people (I thought I was) but in all honestly I doubt most pros even know what good people are anymore given that they spend the bulk of their time in casinos around some of the worst of the worst that society has to offer playing a very selfish cutthroat game where the objective is to take as much money as possible from others at virtually any cost.

He comes across as a very likeable guy. I'm sure he will have no problem getting customers in the future. He's also a very good player so I'm sure other players would like to leverage his knowledge regardless of how scummy he may be.

Maybe he was simply trying to sneak the chips in to the game without them being seen. No clue, but something shady was up because it's really easy to just put your big chips on top of your stack where everyone can see them. I honestly don't see how this could ever be a problem for any pro unless you are in the process of stacking your chips.

You should feel silly for posting that

Alec is now a confirmed psychopath.

Cutthroat poker players creep me the **** out.

Alec's feeble attempt at revising history through his Hand of the Day video series is disgusting.

Another case solved.

Thanks, Dick

The fact that he added on secretly is unlikely to be a mistake, the fact that it was north of the max buyin is unlikely to be a mistake (at this point he's almost certainly cheating), therefore that leads me to believe the chips being hidden is less likely to be a mistake as well, which would make him guilty of at least 1 form of cheating but probably 2. IMO it would be quite a stretch for him not to be (purposefully) cheating at all given all the other evidence.

I never realized how gigantic Torelli's nose is until he posted that video with those dumb green sunglasses. Just throw those glasses in the ocean dude. That is not a good look for you. Neither is angling for $10k in a televised game.

I have no idea what this even means. Accepting people go north in some game is not "normal" or ethical, by any stretch of the imagination. I've never seen it widely accepted anywhere, quite contrary to your assertion.

Using another player's card for $1 per hour food comp is not even remotely close to the same topic.

It just shows how pathetic these pros are when it comes to maximizing EV..because you know it's very important to get that $104/hourly up to $105. It's not surprising that a poker player thinks it's acceptable to compromise one's integrity to steal $1hr/comps from a casino when making six figures a year playing poker.

Dream Crusher you are an A level troll

I'm still surprised a 25/50nl game is not uncapped, but generally if you're playing in the biggest capped game in the room there will be plenty of people going north. I recognize your name as someone who plays/stakes live hsnl, so I'm kind of surprised you're not aware of this. Where I play the biggest capped game is 5/10nl and it's capped at 2k. I promise you if a whale had 5k (whether the whale went north or legitimately ran hot to get to 5k), particularly if it was the end of the night and some people were stuck, immediately 90% of the pros would "happen" to be 5k deep as well.

Wow.

If one of the pro's already had 5k honestly and he saw another pro going North wouldn't he tattle on him because, if the North going pro gets to stack the whale first there is nothing left for the honest 5k pro and his winrate gets crushed?

I am pretty much an honest as they come poker player but I'll admit I once went north to stack Doug Lee. He complained to the floor but they said that he should have said something before the hand was over and he saw that he lost. I want to say I feel bad about it, but I don't, he's an exception imo.


Too bad the amatuer here didn't bring up the fact Alex couldn't have over the table max before the run out.

this^ and he's a complete scumbag imo

yup, Alec is a lying cheater

lol!!!

has he done any damage control yet? literally ever comment on his youtube page is about how he is a angler, cheater, scumbag he is gonna have to close his comment section up or start blocking everyone which makes him look even guiltier

Actually legit have no idea which way Alec will take this.

The normal line to take these days is to apologize for making a mistake and then claim to be the victim.

Man I always enjoy your posts and I know I'm gonna further tangent this thread but if a game has a cap then it has a ****ing cap. Players with ethics are at a huge disadvantage to players without. Not to mention the actual fish which has little to no chance of surviving deep stack play.

There are exceptions obv.

1) if a game is totally built around a whale, and that dude tilt rebuys over the cap by dumping a pile of orange or whatever, fine. It's basically his game anyway and no one is going to object to something he wants to do.

2) if caps are a dumb state rule / casino rule and the entire table is in agreement to do whatever

Otherwise, its a rule. Not following it is cheating. I wouldn't break it, therefore I was at a disadvantage. There are a handful of bad regs / fish that have no idea what going north is, and they too are at a disadvantage.

I realize I will never change your thinking bc I've already had this convo with a handful of pros and they all basically say I'm a little **** (which is probably true, but I just never could ethically top up to cover an unknowing fish in a capped game)

FWIW, my favorite game type is uncapped and I sincerely think the largest games in the room should mostly be uncapped. So it has nothing to do with personal preference.

It's widely accepted / normal in sfla games and you are a little ***** if you think otherwise. But I 100% agree with you obviously.

Yikes, what a slime ball. It's just audacious that he preemptively made the youtube video trying to weasel his way out this. I think the worst part, though, is his offer to sell action at a 'discount' as a way to make good. It really speaks to his character. I've known a few people in my days who would pull stuff like that, wouldn't trust a single one as far as I could throw them.

The sad thing is, he's so greasy that he actually believes he is right.

He definitely hasn't been earning points in the reputable category lately has he?

It is proven Alec added chips. What does Alec do now? It will be quite interesting and entertaining to see how he responds to the whole situation. It is pretty much the sickest angle shoot in poker history...

the last few minutes of dougs video's, actually the whole video, was gold. The happy uplifting music, "I FEEL ALIVE!!" lmfao, too funny. the way he dressed and all the mannerisms, were just spot on.