Actually it is more an editorial decision, to keep all the issues together on one thread, rather than scattered over lots of threads which makes it hard to keep up with issues if one jumps from thread to thread.

Censorship would be banning you from talking at all about it, but as you see, you are free to talk about it here.

Torelli is very quiet here on this subject, isn't he.

I wonder how many other people have been offered this 'action at a discount' as a favour?
Enough to add up to 100%, which has then been dumped off to a friend?

Hell of a long con, without the sweetener element.

this is all total bs if alec was adding money to his stack. His opponents kind of know where he is at cashwise, by thinking over the session.

and once again, that was a big time angle and he is a douche/liar.

Can confirm this is mr wolf, and that he is also one of the good guys in poker.

Good one, Alec thought he spotted a mark after he was able to get away with the first con , fiqures this is a nice beta to take advantage of.

Glad you didnt go for it Soggy

No you're not a fair person at all, to yourself. Things like chopping with someone after your live hand turns out to beat his is not going to be returned near as much.

I was thinking what a good way to handle this could be because it isn't as easy as just say "well let's take 10k back" because what if you had aces instead of ATo and he can't ask you during the hand. An equity chop of the mistake would also be my preference. Give like $2500 back in this case, if you spiked a T you owe him $7500.

Alec presents himself as some Macau $5MNL balla while angling for 10k on a live stream. What a sad excuse of a poker player.

Special place in my heart for when Doug makes fun of Alec.

I like the sidebar recommended videos:

Gross.

I gave Alec Torelil the benefit of the doubt at first, but not after hearing Wolf's side that Alec was losing in the game and snuck on the 5k chips. Even the cameramen/producers didn't know Alec had snuck on those 5k chips (buying in over the 20k maximum).

Doug Polk says Alec wouldn't intentionally try to pull an angle on televised poker, but he did sneakily buy in over the max on televised poker.

It's pretty common for poker pros to buy in over the maximum when they're stuck. It's against the rules, but everything, including rules and maybe even fairness, goes out the window when these pros get stuck and tilted.

As an experienced, deep high stakes NL live pro, Torelli is confirmed angling on televised poker by sneakily buying in over the maximum to gain at advantage over the amateurs. The fact that he hid the large denomination chips and didn't bring them out the front even while Wolf was tanking in response to his 3bet, makes it likely that it was also intentional IMO.

Here are the screenshots from the show:





NO ONE knew Alec snuck on those two 5k chips and hid them behind his towers.

Yea the going north thing is huge bc it means Wolf could have in theory "known" Alec's relative stack size without asking. (Knows hes stuck and won no major pots, which means <$20k)

Also speaking from experience many pros go north all the time, angle all the time, and think they are basically entitled to every dollar on the table. These are the good ones. Im not even going into teams / shared bankrolls etc. This is my experience in sfla 5/10+ games and it was a real eye opener and quite depressing for me.

So, Torelli smuggles chips into a TELEVISED game, hides the smuggled chips COMPOUNDING ANGLE UPON ANGLE,

Such a cunning plan, how could it possibly go wrong...?

What really gets me is the shortsightedness that torelli displays in this as well. Willing to sell his reputation for 10k. It took a while to be exposed but did he really think it wasn't going to be? Even if he is as big of a greedy douche nozzle as it appears wouldn't he realize that this scummy angle is going to cost him way more than 10k down the line? The dude sells a coaching class video series for like 1K a pop. I hope he never gets another customer again, to be honest it is tough to see how he has gotten any in the past.

I dont want to derail from piling on about how much of a scumbag Alex is, but do you really think that lying about your hand, whether you've seen it or not etc., is 'cheating'? Sure the floor can make whatever ruling they want, but that doesn't equate it to cheating. Just my thoughts. Please continue piling on Alex. (we're calling him Alex now right???). I'm sharpening my pitchfork and oiling my torch. Rabble rabble rabble.

This

Wth dude. I never liked him but I at least believed he was a Macau baller. Now he's just nothing.

This is exactly what I thought when I first saw it on Youtube. You have to be a sucker to think someone needs to spread out 2 chips to count them.

This is the best iteration of the behavior I've seen. All I could manage was, "looks suspicious".

Well done.

Anyone who reads this post and thinks that what Alec did wasn't deliberate is naive and delusional.

Post from youtube user bbsbass:

This story was trying so hard to come to light for the past..I don't know...year or so, but was just brushed to the side. Fortunately, due in part to Douggie Fresh and PNIA airing the final cut episode, the light has been shined down upon Tortellini and has revealed the truth. Tortellini is seemingly a megalomaniac angler who is fond of seagulls and DEEP V-Necks. To each his own I guess.

What was done was an angle, sans doubt. The evidence is there. We can figure out his true intentions by the way he acted during and after the hand.

So, we must crucify him, in the nonliteral sense of course, and get this out to the masses.
This would be a great article for PokerNews, IMHO.

SoggyCakes is indeed Dan Wolf.

At this point I don't consider him an angler but a cheater.

What a scumbag.

"04:25:14 - This is one of the most interesting pieces of the video. This is the exact time we can see Torelli reaching into his jacket pocket to pull out the second silver chip. Unfortunately the camera cuts away before we see him pull it out, but the next time we can see his chips he has two silvers. The second one goes right on top of the first one, notably still covered up by his other stacks even though he's clearly now interacted with them and could have moved them out front. Also worth noting, even though players are supposed to notify the PNIA production crew when they're adding on (so the chip graphs can be updated accurately,) Alec doesn't tell anyone. Neither the crew or the players at the table. For the rest of the time from now until the hand in question the count of his stack on the graphics is $5k off.

04:25:41 - The next view of Torelli's chips, an ariel view, showing the two silver chips. Although is it admittedly a little hard to say conclusively that there are two there.

04:29:35 - The next clear view of Torelli's chips, clearly showing the second silver on top of the first, both tucked completely behind his oranges and greens"

In lawyering terms:

"Q: Did you see the defendant bite off the victim's nose?

A: No

Q: Then how do you know he bit off the victim's nose?

A: I saw him spit it out. "

I think Doug is definitely right that Alec wasn't trying to angle in the beginning, but he took advantage of the situation when he realized the other guy didn't have a strong hand.

He wasn't hiding the chips on purpose trying to induce a cold 4bet when he's holding AQ

Which chips are you talking about, the ones openly bought into the game, or the one he had hidden in his jacket that he slipped into the game?

It is blind to the problem people like you that keep the cheaters in business.

It is amazing, after seeing this (when Alex the Weasel was on his best behaviour as it was on tv) there anyone who would trust the cheating fkr enough to play him in a live non televised cash game?