He did, Torreli is a basstard.

This is disgusting.

Well, I've definitely changed my mind after seeing Doug's video, reading about Torelli's history, and hearing from Clarence Wolf himself.

Wow, this is ****ing gross. Scummy move to pull in any game, never mind one on TV. You should be proud.

This is how professional poker players should react to odd situations in game imo. I've done similar chop pot offers in weird situations where it was clear honest mistakes were made.

Plot thickens.

Epic first post, Wolf. Bravo!

Maybe this is why you aren't a pro though.

I'm thinking it's not really any better to blatantly cheat a pro either. I assumed that Wolf was an amateur (based on watching PNIA) but he just posted that he's been playing full time for less than 2 years. That explains a lot actually. Wolf seems too nice for this profession. (so does Alec, but it turns out he isn't)

One of several reasons, yes.

Wow I thought Doug's video buried Torelli but offering to sell action as a "deal" is just lol. What a scumbag.

If you have evidence of cheating make it public right away. Don't you want to warn the public so they can avoid getting cheated?

Is this real life? Torelli is piece of work.

Thank you Daniel, for being something real in poker.

I don't think the wolf can PM you because his account is new also.

Having your big chips in the back and then not handling the situation well is one thing. If you add on by putting big chips behind your stack without telling anyone that IMO goes to the level of straight cheating. If thats what happened.

Only thing worse than that is literally adding on during a hand.

in my opinion anyone that knows of cheating having occurred is obligated to share it with the community and not doing so is not an option.

clearly an angle overall; even if he did tell PNIA staff or other players of additional chips (doubtful) and then his initial placement of big chips was just a really dumb mistake (doubtful); his comments and actions afterwards (to the floor, to his opponent during the hand and after the game, during post-match interview, etc.) were clearly deceptive, inaccurate, and scummy.

so recap; even giving him the huge benefit of the doubt on two key factors (adding chips on without telling anyone and then placement of big chips was not visible), it is still an angle for how he acted and what he said afterwards.

confirmed scum bag

If you like poker and are a decent person there is an obligation on you to make cheating in the game -EV, so I don't mind the piling on. Please continue.

Previous Torelli angles please sir..

I've played with people for years that still forget to keep big chips visible, and aren't trying to angle. I've done it too. So it's a little understandable to leave them in the back to start. However, most of the time, once the action starts to develop where allins might become possible, players with hidden chips then remind people and say something like "oh sorry, I have these chips hidden, I thought you should know." However, I can still give Torelli the benefit of the doubt at this point in the hand that he just forgot the big chips were out of sight.

What makes me not give Torelli the benefit of the doubt is how he acted once he realized the chips were not in play. As most cash game pros know, a floor's decisions are mostly irrelevant if two players agree to something. For example: floor says "all chips must play for an allin". Alec can just say, alright, we'll officially run it for the full amount, but then winner will just pay $5k cash on the side to the loser away from the table or whatever else agreement you want. Alec asking for what's the legal ruling and then just going along with it clearly shows he had no intention of trying to be fair. I think the very least he could have done is to say "I thought we were playing for 25k, you thought we were playing for 15k, how about we meet in the middle and play for 20k, does that seem fair?" It just didn't seem like he made a sincere effort to come up with an amicable solution after he messed up.

I also feel bad for Wolf, because his hands are a bit tied. He can't really be too vocal about what he wants either way. He's still hoping Torelli folds. If he pipes up and demands to only play for $15k it's probably clear he is weak. He pretty much has to just remain quiet during it. So the ball was really in Torelli's court to make things right and propose a reasonable solution.

I loved the shirt troll in the Doug video. Honestly that was one of Doug's best videos yet.

wolf u are too nice to be playing for these stakes.

welcome to 2+2

@ Doug Polk- excellent video, well done.
What in Torelli's past has earned him the benefit of the doubt here? What did he do during the process of the incident to earn him the benefit of the doubt? And his attempt to resolve the situation afterward- 'sell cash game action at discounted markup?' This wasn't the best way to recruit a new investor imo. My god man..
@ Daniel Wolf- you got railroaded here. If your unsatisfied with a floorman's ruling you can demand a casino supervisor be called in to rule. Floormen, and women, get it wrong a lot. At many cardrooms in LA, including Commerce- they may have ruled the big chips do not play since they were not visible to your side of the goddamn table.

Hows about he just gets himself in one of these again and Wolf gets to throw 10ks worth of tomatoes at his head..

Angle shooting is cheating. In the example you cite, a player is violating the spirit of the game. If the other players complain (enough) a floor can and will punish the angler/ask him to leave or at a minimum inform the table what he's doing. In my experience, it doesn't come to this much if ever, because usually, angle shooters are fish and/or losing. The good players figure out the angle (some even warn the amateurs they don't want to feel taken advantage of to the point they pick up) and don't pursue it because they'll likely make more if the angle shooter stays. In tournaments, it can be more an issue and I've seen floors get involved when requested.