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Originally Posted by zachvac
Obviously Alec's history means we probably shouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt, but this has always been a rule that seems odd to me. In cash particularly, dealers aren't great about enforcing this rule and despite what some people are saying, a pretty good chunk of players in the games I play have their 1k/5k chips either at the bottom of a stack or to the side (similar to Alec here but usually not as hidden). I think most have them in a stack on their own in front or else on top, but this isn't some phenomenon that is super rare or definitely an angle. Every time you get into a spot where stack size matters, it's a simple question "no 5k's right?" and 99% of the time they'll either show you chips or tell you no. It slows the game down way less than the guy who everyone knows is folding to the all-in but takes 2 minutes and hems and haws before doing it. And the fact that the result is usually what happened here, it's not victim blaming to say you should probably get a quick confirmation on stack sizes before acting (if he lies the floor should be able to actually do something).
It's just that any other rule modification I can think of just opens up more angles or else is unnecessarily harsh and punishes recs who mess up and accidentally misplace chips, so not really sure what an appropriate solution would be for this other than to tell people to make sure you know how much your opponents have before taking an action assuming they have a certain stack size.
The dealer actually couldn't even see the 5k chips herself. There a difference between having them at the bottom of your stack and having them surrounded by towers. I agree, the victim holds some responsibility in not letting himself get angled, but that doesn't make Torelli any less of a scumbag. There are still naive and inexperienced players out there, and sometimes people forget about hidden large denomination chips in the heat of the moment