You're all being somewhat ridiculous.
Don't ask for exact counts all the time, if you're about to go all in, the guy looks like he has $10k. If there is any doubt at all then you really should just confirm that your estimate is correct, takes less than 5 seconds, doesn't slow the game down at all, no-one will be bothered as it's personally reasonable thing to ask.
In this instance the conversation goes like this;
" You have about $10k right?"
" No I have about $25k (moves chips forward)"
Whole thing has taken plenty under 10 seconds and a $25k error is avoided.
Let's not have any of this "people should forefit chips" nonsense, too may rules not enough common sense in poker these days.
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The player is an amateur though. In fact, most poker players are amateurs, so why wouldn't you expect them to act like an "ammeter" ?
Obviously not what i meant, if you're a total rookie to the game then absolutely yeah its a forgivable mistake, if you played a fair bit then sorry you just need to know better.
I do feel sorry for him though, I remember doing something similar many years back which cost a fortune, felt like a monster idiot, but never done it since. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me :P