I'm not sure exactly what you mean by your comment, but this took place on FTP so transfer histories aren't available at the moment. I believe Traheho promised to post them if/when FTP is back online.

Without evidence, this is a stupid topic.

Perky is very rich, why would Alec think that such a rich person would need to steal 150k?

If Perky stole 150k, then Perky is blame. He's the one who defrauded the person. Not Alec.

Put the blame where it lies.

You're some noob with 3 posts ordering around the mods to damage a pro's reputation. Get real son.

We don't even know who the injured party is yet, beyond it being 'a business man'.

Oh, case closed then. lol

So according to you, why did traheho withdraw his 50 k bet offer? Why did he stop answering questions from viffer who is accusing him? Why would they need a betting tell to make the transfer? How did viffer know about the need of a betting tell? Obviously viffer is not making this up, right?

It is you who are stupid not the topic.

So, you think that typing "mods" will get their attention? If it didn't work the first time, why should it work the second time?

You might want to press the "Report Post" button and submit the request so that a mod receives the request.

who is dumb enough to back perky for 150k?

WOW

Cheating In Poker

Evan among the "Legit" Players

SHOCKING!

Doyle did it.

Get real.

hilarious that all this started bc of a thread alec started about being owed money from perky lol

I think it's a good idea what the "noob" put forward. I'm sure a lot more people know Torreli by his real name than Traheho and asking the mods to change this definitely helps others.

If Phil Ivey joined this forum and posted the winning formula on how to become a poker millionaire but only had 3 posts then I'm presuming you'd tell him he was completely wrong and that your way of playing was far better due to your higher post count?

But back to the topic at hand - maybe all the stress of stealing this money is why he has such a bad receding hairline at such a young age?

Agree.

I've actually heard a lot of stories of Doyle cheating, but I'd be interested in hearing a story about it that had proof.

My purpose wasn't to put him down for being new obviously. It was the combination of everything, being new was just one aspect. If there was a new poster with good ideas I would welcome him with open arms. It's a pity you took my post so personally.

Guess it did come across as though I had taken it personally, just took it a bit differently from how you had originally intended it. Never mind.

I do wonder how Annie Duke chose all these people to be on the ethics committee. Seems as though she looks for unethical players so that they have first hand experience on the issues they seem to be dealing with a lot ever since Epic started (considering the founder has to ban her own brother lol).

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Traheo said that his rep was very important to him and challenged viffer to take his accusations up in the ethics committee so that he could play lawyer and defend himself, he also accepts the prop bet suggestion from viffer.

Then viffer posts and asks traheho stuff that shows he has some inside info about what really happened with the backers money. Just as he had done earlier when he told about the betting tell that had been used. Viffer also hinted that they may even have taken more than 150 K from the backer.

AT this point Traheho understands that viffer has too much inside info about what really happened and therefore he suddenly backs out from prop bet and stops answering questions. He even refuses to do take the prop bet when viffer and others meet him in person.

So some idiots here believes that traheho chooses to back out from prop bet when he has nothing to hide even tho traheho knows this ****s up his rep and he that he will not be able to win easy 50 K ? Why on earth would he do that? Give me one logical and believable reason please.

Only this one fact alone is proof enough that traheho has something to hide.

Alec is obviously not telling the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but the truth is probably not as bad as everyone thinks.

That's the way scam artists work, they con you into doing something shady so that later when it turns out they were really doing something completely scummy they know you won't come forward because you will have to incriminate yourself.

/speculation

Most likely perky told Alec he could get Haley to loan him the money to pay Alec by convincing him Alec was a fish and they would split the profits if he won, and Perky would be on the hook for the $150K if he lost.

So Alec probably thought he was doing something shady, but since Haley would get repaid by Perky eventually, he wasn't really hurting anyone.

From what Viffer is saying, there was no loan and Haley was actually gambling on a rigged game rather than investing with a promise of return of his investment, but Haley can't come forward and admit that he was 'kinda' in on the scam plus admit that he himself was conned by Perky.

so he got paid back money that was owed to him? who cares if its stolen?

if someone owed me a lot of money, and they are willing to pay me back by chip dumping i would snap accept.

how the person got the money is not of my concern and ultimately if the money was stolen its not my problem.

this whole story makes alec look pretty bad and sketchy, but y'all really shouldnt lynch him for what he did.

imo obv

It is not chipdumping it is stealing. If they agreed to use a betting tell to hide from the backer what they were up to, that they were not playing a real match, then it is stealing. And he was an accomplish t the crime.

Also...there is a reason traheho does not want the truth to come out. Probably cause he knows that the truth is very devastating for him. The fact that you are a scumbag and finds it ok to be involved in **** like this does not make it right.

Hello Alec

well obv they need to use techniques in order to chip dump. because chip dumping is against the rules on ftp and if you got caught doing so they would lock your acct and investigate. so they were hiding the whole chip dump period, not so much because the backer might find out.

i do not think stealing is ok. I was just putting myself in his position, because if someone owed me 150k, and could only pay back by chip dumping, then ill take that. if this whole scenario was not about being owed money, and he just helped out stealing money from a rich guy by helping chip dump and splitting the money, then its a different story.

obv you are the type that has high morals and wouldnt accept money owed to you in such ways, and eventually get scammed and then cry and make a thread in 2+2 about how you got scammed.

Pretty scummy move by Trebek if true.


LOL @ EPL having an ethics committee with the head of the league being Annie Duke.

Doesn't surprise me about this Alex Trebek guy being on the ethics committee either. There are def some good people in poker but a good portion of regs are filthy degenerates and would do anything for money or a seat.

It is laughable that there is even an ethics committee for this league considering Annie Duke was a major shareholder for UB/AP and their players are out over 50 million (just guessing).

If she had any ethics at all she would give every cent she earned from UB/AP back to the players who got screwed. Same with Phil Hellmuth.

Alec offered to bet and agreed to the escrow and then when Viffer posted- Alec did not. Isnt that another questionable ethical decision? Freeroll of sorts.

Yup, he should pay off the 50k as well

HIhater.....

I dont want to get into a debate with you so this is my final word.

1) You DO find stealing ok, as long as you would get the money back from someone who owes you. You said it yourself in your post ffs.

2) Would you use a betting tell instead of phone or skype yourself if you would do a chip dump?

3) Would you back out from an easy won 50 k prop bet if you had nothing to hide?

4) Would you avoid answering questions if you were wrongly accused about something and at the same time found your rep as an honest person being very important?

5) And yes, I have high morals and would never get involved in **** like this. I would not cry about it on twoplustwo but I would post about it on twoplustwo just to make sure it would not happen to someone else too. You "accusing" me on having high morals, like it would be a bad thing explains why we even are discussing this.