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ADZ124/Empire2000 softplaying???? ADZ124/Empire2000 softplaying????

09-12-2007 , 10:04 PM
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"First of all, let's discuss softplay:

Softplay is defined as folding or failing to bet a strong hand versus a
friend or associate.

Leading poker rooms in California, Las Vegas, and elsewhere do not
prohibit soft play in cash games when heads-up. We see no reason why online
games should be any different.


While players online are generally more concerned about collusion, this
particular behaviour is actually less harmful online than in a brick &
mortar room.

This is because it is much easier to secretly collude online than in a
B&M game. Players who openly demonstrate that they are friends and
play soft against each other are very unlikely to be real colluders.

Our current policy is that soft playing when heads-up in a cash game is
not prohibited. This policy has been in effect for well over 5 years
and the number of complaints has been small.


This came from stars themselves. Softplaying in heads up pots IS ALLOWED. So unless they shared hole cards there is nothing wrong with this hand at all.
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09-12-2007 , 10:22 PM
So softplay HU is allowed. Are there any implications to this for the other players at the table?
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09-12-2007 , 10:26 PM
I put the whole email in a earlier post in the thread but it seemed everyone overlooked it so I put the important sections in bold. The longer one tells what they look for but says as long as other players are not hurt then its ok. So basically they look for people squeezing others and the like,
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09-12-2007 , 10:27 PM
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ADZ obv put Em2 on a large suited single gapper.. There's no value in a raise against J9s, and there are only 2 combos of KJs vs 4 combos of QTs. This is pretty uNL stuff Grimmy.
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Ansky, you tilt me so hard sometimes. Yes. Yes, I am serious. It is very clear from the opening line of "he put Em2 on a suited one gapper" that I am serious.

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its pretty clear to me that ansky's post is a relevel and your reply is not
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09-12-2007 , 11:51 PM
Does anyone beleive ADZ would have raised against another player preflop with AA? If he would then the other players will be effected. The pot isn't HU until the other players have folded. I guess PS don't want to upset their biggest customers though, those who make them the most money.

Would it be ok if 3 persons agree to softplay each other in all 3way pots they enter against each other?
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09-13-2007 , 12:24 AM
This hand definitely seems like softplaying, but I don't understand why they would softplay HU in a cash game? It seems kind of dumb... I'm sure there are reasons to do so, but I doubt they would be worth the risk. So, instead of arguing about whether this is softplay, lets argue about why they would do it.
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09-13-2007 , 12:34 AM
Maybe this is a long term play by ADZ to get Roman kicked off for collusion? So all I have to do is flat against regulars on the river and they'll get banned from playing again?
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09-13-2007 , 10:42 AM
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So softplay HU is allowed. Are there any implications to this for the other players at the table?
There are a few discussions about this from about a year ago. iirc, at stars, they say that if a hand is HU, softplay is fine. There are a lot of counter arguments for why this is not fine. The soft play that was being discussed at the time was just checking it down when it got heads up, only between certain players of course. (So out of the pool of players, several agreed that if they were ever HU in a hand they would just check it down). Some of the problems with that are that it looks really bad dissuading any trust in the game and that it IS really bad in that it changes strategy and is tantamount to collusion because players know they can see the river for free if it gets HU with someone else in their clique, and it is more likely to get HU if they call a bet (or raise a bet) by someone in their clique.

In this case, I don't know what to make of the hand. Not raising the river here looks like a clear mistake, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is a softplay.

Before the river, I can certainly see why adz would have this line in his arsenal. If this isn't part of a bigger pattern of play, you can't make anything of this hand. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone sees monsters under the bed from time to time. About the only thing we know is it was not likely a misclick since roman talked to him about the hand.
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09-13-2007 , 09:58 PM
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fwiw, when watching a couple of deepstacked games at TS involving roman and ADZ, ADZ used a very similar really passive line with a set OOP. I guess either ADZ is softplaying (unlikely) or ADZ's entire metagame with Roman the last month has been playing ridiculously passive.

ADZ did stuff at TS like check bottom set three times OOP on a non threatening board (ie he improved to a boat when a flush came) in a multiway pot, and in a hand against Roman he just called from the BB with QQ, checkcalled on a AQx flop (roman having something like 87), and checking the turn and river both being blanks.

I mean, it's whatever, ADZ just appears to be a huge nit who incoporates that with a lot of trickyness.
This sounds like a very strong argument that they do softplay
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09-13-2007 , 11:54 PM
Ridiculous hand. Blatant softplay.
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