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ADZ124/Empire2000 softplaying???? ADZ124/Empire2000 softplaying????

09-11-2007 , 02:41 PM
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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.
im obv not gonna post my thoughts about the hand on a public message board, but adz told me something exactly like that on MSN
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09-11-2007 , 02:42 PM
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cmon adz flatted, checked, flatted, flatted with the nuts. BS it isnt softplaying
Up until the river the hand can be easily rationalized, your post is kind of ridiculous. On the river he had the 3rd nuts, not the nuts...I do agree that a non-river raise there looks weird tho.
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09-11-2007 , 02:51 PM
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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.
im obv not gonna post my thoughts about the hand on a public message board, but adz told me something exactly like that on MSN
lol...maybe you haven't softplayed before in your life but you definitely have soft posted. this is redic, i don't care how much of a nit empire is. there's hardly any reason not to play every street different. people felt almost any pair in these games and it's 6 handed.
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09-11-2007 , 02:57 PM
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cmon adz flatted, checked, flatted, flatted with the nuts. BS it isnt softplaying
Up until the river the hand can be easily rationalized, your post is kind of ridiculous. On the river he had the 3rd nuts, not the nuts...I do agree that a non-river raise there looks weird tho.
there's absolutely no reason to use pot control when u have the nuts in an aggressive online game. Why did he call preflop if it wasn't with the intention of underrepping his hand and getting aggressive postflop?
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09-11-2007 , 02:59 PM
Meh, this doesn't look that suspicious, plus I'm not sure why they would softplay each other, if they wanted to work out some sort of collusion when they played together they are smart enough to realize there are better ways to do it than this (ie keep track of how much they lose to eachother on pokertracker and pay each other back at the end of the session).
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09-11-2007 , 03:00 PM
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lol...maybe you haven't softplayed before in your life but you definitely have soft posted. this is redic, i don't care how much of a nit empire is. there's hardly any reason not to play every street different. people felt almost any pair in these games and it's 6 handed.
LOL softpostaments nh
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09-11-2007 , 03:02 PM
Looks like grim finally got something right.

Good work, sir.
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09-11-2007 , 03:07 PM
i thought that Empire2000 = ChrisChun on FTP awhile ago
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09-11-2007 , 03:22 PM
Meh... The thing is I've seen Adz124 play some hands very weird before and I trust Roman wouldn't collude... I mean the thing is if they were colluding Adz could send him a message on aim and be like I have AA fold when I raise or something.
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09-11-2007 , 03:26 PM
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Meh, this doesn't look that suspicious, plus I'm not sure why they would softplay each other, if they wanted to work out some sort of collusion when they played together they are smart enough to realize there are better ways to do it than this (ie keep track of how much they lose to eachother on pokertracker and pay each other back at the end of the session).
Finally
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09-11-2007 , 03:40 PM
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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.
im obv not gonna post my thoughts about the hand on a public message board, but adz told me something exactly like that on MSN
lol


i guess adz put him on quads
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09-11-2007 , 03:55 PM
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i thought that Empire2000 = ChrisChun on FTP awhile ago
I think Grim knows this, and also knows that ADZ has been playing nonstop on ChrisChun on FTP lately...therefore Grim is saying both of these guys are friends and prob softplaying...
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09-11-2007 , 04:00 PM
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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.
im obv not gonna post my thoughts about the hand on a public message board, but adz told me something exactly like that on MSN
during the hand or afterwards?
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09-11-2007 , 04:02 PM
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i thought that Empire2000 = ChrisChun on FTP awhile ago
I think Grim knows this, and also knows that ADZ has been playing nonstop on ChrisChun on FTP lately...therefore Grim is saying both of these guys are friends and prob softplaying...
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09-11-2007 , 04:05 PM
fwiw, when watching a couple of deepstacked games at TS involving roman and ADZ, ADZ used a very similar really passive line with a set OOP. I guess either ADZ is softplaying (unlikely) or ADZ's entire metagame with Roman the last month has been playing ridiculously passive.

ADZ did stuff at TS like check bottom set three times OOP on a non threatening board (ie he improved to a boat when a flush came) in a multiway pot, and in a hand against Roman he just called from the BB with QQ, checkcalled on a AQx flop (roman having something like 87), and checking the turn and river both being blanks.

I mean, it's whatever, ADZ just appears to be a huge nit who incoporates that with a lot of trickyness.
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09-11-2007 , 04:09 PM
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I mean, it's whatever, ADZ just appears to be a huge nit who incoporates that with a lot of trickyness.
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09-11-2007 , 04:41 PM
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cmon adz flatted, checked, flatted, flatted with the nuts. BS it isnt softplaying
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09-11-2007 , 04:44 PM
this is so completely obvious softplaying by adz that anyone to challenge otherwise is ridiculous............
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09-11-2007 , 04:45 PM
adz and nit dont belong in same sentence
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09-11-2007 , 04:49 PM
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this is so completely obvious softplaying by adz that anyone to challenge otherwise is ridiculous............
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09-11-2007 , 04:56 PM
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i thought that Empire2000 = ChrisChun on FTP awhile ago
I think Grim knows this, and also knows that ADZ has been playing nonstop on ChrisChun on FTP lately...therefore Grim is saying both of these guys are friends and prob softplaying...
LOLOtrickedme. I remember b4 i found 2p2 and was a stupid railtard i believed "chrischun" was some software developer who sold his company for 30mil. One night when ChrisChun was trying to coax Paul Wolfe into playing HU he kept telling Paul things like he was going to buy a Rolex with his $$. This makes much more sense.
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09-11-2007 , 05:11 PM
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adz and nit dont belong in same sentence
Hes probably the tightest heads up player on stars.
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09-11-2007 , 05:37 PM
false
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09-11-2007 , 05:39 PM
pretty close to true
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09-11-2007 , 05:44 PM
wait until negreanu sees this
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