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12-08-2014 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RonMexico
In the OP, you linked an article that says Harry Reid is open to taking a bribe to attach a bill. People who take bribes to change public policy are not influenced by emails, especially when it's clear they are coming from a small but coordinated group. Use your time to drum up some outrage from non-poker people.
It's important to shine light on this, so lawmakers don't think they can get away with things like this unnoticed. Emails and phone calls are extremely important.

Unless you spoke with lawmakers who told you differently, why discourage important action?
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12-08-2014 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
Hey everyone,

I wish to share the email action alert I just received from former Rep. Ron Paul:
So in a few hours, game over?
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12-08-2014 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
Hey everyone,

I wish to share the email action alert I just received from former Rep. Ron Paul:
Ron Paul wants to abolish the EPA.

Ron Paul is a wackjob.

I will take online poker being banned over the abolish of the EPA.
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12-08-2014 , 03:57 PM
For real, it is absolutely ridiculous to tell people not to send emails/tweets to politicians. There is 0 percent chance it will hurt. It will probably go to their secretary anyway, who actually has a chance to be swayed by something like this, and if not, it won't hurt. Get the information out.
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12-08-2014 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
If we can't get poker people outraged about a threat to poker, what hope do we have to get non-poker people outraged?

And what would you do to drum up that outrage?
True. It's hard to win over politicians if they don't hear from players. I'm surprised that the outrage isn't leading to more action.
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12-08-2014 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by everydaygrind
Ron Paul wants to abolish the EPA.

Ron Paul is a wackjob.

I will take online poker being banned over the abolish of the EPA.
So, now you want to pick and choose our supporters?
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12-08-2014 , 04:05 PM
RED ALERT!! This from Michelle Minton:
ampaign for Liberty just sent out a message claiming that Congress will consider attaching RAWA as a rider to the CRomnibus spending bill "within hours". Now is the time to speak up and let your Reps know that this sort of dirty backroom dealing (for a bill that hasn't even had a single hearing, no less) is unacceptable. If you're interested, here's the twitter handles for all the GOP Reps from Ohio (Boehner's state) @RepBillJohnson @RepBobGibbs @RepMikeTurner @boblatta @RepDaveJoyce @TiberiPress @RepJimRenacci @RepSteveStivers
@RepBradWenstrup @RepSteveChabot

Last edited by GJS70; 12-08-2014 at 04:06 PM. Reason: copying on mobile, left C off Campaign
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12-08-2014 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by everydaygrind
Ron Paul wants to abolish the EPA.

Ron Paul is a wackjob.

I will take online poker being banned over the abolish of the EPA.
Right, because the alternative to banning online poker is making Ron Paul Emperor of the United States.
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12-08-2014 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by crdjeep
So in a few hours, game over?
There are media reports that Adelson, Boehner, and Reid are talking about moving RAWA this week by adding it to must pass legislation. There's a non-zero chance this thread will be moot by Friday.
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12-08-2014 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RonMexico
Poker people have been outraged for a long time, but we just expect it at this point.

If I were going to go all-in on supporting a cause (and I'm not, because I think it's a waste of time), I'd start by doing research on what methods actually have an impact. I'm not going to do your homework for you because I don't care enough anymore. But I feel confident in saying that sending emails to a bribe-taking sociopath is a complete waste of your time and will have zero influence on his decision process.
I've done a ton of research and have come up with innovative ways we can take action that focus on the strengths of the community.

It's funny you say this, though, as you disparaged the effort with no research at all backing your attacks. To the contrary, all the research and data are supportive.

Unfortunately, there's isn't a quick fix to this. It really does involve a lot of work, especially if one expects others to join our fight.
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12-08-2014 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by crdjeep
I'm guessing you don't take part of the daily action plan? Sending robotic tweets and facebook posts.

I feel the same way you do.
So, do nothing? If YOU are willing to do more, LMK how you wish to volunteer.
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12-08-2014 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GJS70
RED ALERT!! This from Michelle Minton:
ampaign for Liberty just sent out a message claiming that Congress will consider attaching RAWA as a rider to the CRomnibus spending bill "within hours". Now is the time to speak up and let your Reps know that this sort of dirty backroom dealing (for a bill that hasn't even had a single hearing, no less) is unacceptable. If you're interested, here's the twitter handles for all the GOP Reps from Ohio (Boehner's state) @RepBillJohnson @RepBobGibbs @RepMikeTurner @boblatta @RepDaveJoyce @TiberiPress @RepJimRenacci @RepSteveStivers
@RepBradWenstrup @RepSteveChabot
Sent, also to some other representatives as well.
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12-08-2014 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
So, do nothing? If YOU are willing to do more, LMK how you wish to volunteer.
I am wondering if this would pass, would be your "THE PPA" next step ?
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12-08-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
So, do nothing? If YOU are willing to do more, LMK how you wish to volunteer.
Some people expect everything to be done for them, that, or they think an entire revolution is very easy. Without the PPA, poker would not be regulated at all in the US. No NV, NJ, or DE. Government works very slow. It takes away powers swiftly, but getting them back takes a lot of work.
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12-08-2014 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by uradoodooface
We've been writing politicians since the UIGEA. You really think more of the same is gonna do anything? As far as I'm concerned democracy is a joke unless you have 51% of the US population rallying behind you like with wats finally happening with weed.

Unless they have a threat of being voted out of their position there is no leverage that we have on politicians and no power other then voting. Would be nice if we the voter could vote on the bill itself like those initiative ballots as that actually works. As it is we are basically slaves to fate as I don't see how more emails on top of the already of millions of emails sent will make that much of a difference.
Our issue is not that we have too much support. Franky, we need a lot more poker players standing up for themselves. If some ITT stood up for our rights with the same vehemence with which they are attacking Doc T., we'd be a lot stronger.
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12-08-2014 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thefinchster22
I totally agree, I was legitimately wondering why he has the opposite outlook of other major casinos. I'm not assuming it's a moral issue
I think it's because he would not be a top-tier player in the market.

If I make $500 on a deal and someone else makes $1500, I think I made $500. Adelson thinks he lost $1000. That's how it works. GE was famous for getting out of businesses where they were not #1 or #2. It wasn't all about profit. It was also about being an industry leader.

Adelson may have developed true opposition to the game, but I suspect it's confirmation bias stemming from a purely business decision.
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12-08-2014 , 04:25 PM
I just called Cleaver's office and told a young lady that I don't support non-essential legislation being slipped into the omnibus bill. Especially this bill and I didn't agree with RAWA at all.

Also sent this email.

Dear Representative Cleaver:

I do not support the idea of non-essential legislation being slipped into an essential piece of legislation in general. But specifically, I am refering to the idea of RAWA, which is a BAD bill, being slipped into the omnibus spending bill.

I called your office to express that view, but wanted to follow it up with this email.

A constituent.

Any responses should be in email.

Last edited by Doc T River; 12-08-2014 at 04:31 PM. Reason: And I am going to do a snail mail to boot!
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12-08-2014 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by crdjeep
I am wondering if this would pass, would be your "THE PPA" next step ?
I have no idea. We're all in now. This is the real deal and we need to stand strong.

And, it's not my "THE PPA." PPA isn't a for-profit in the business of pushing poker legislation. As you may imagine, that would not be much of a business venture. Rather, PPA is a non-profit that is the outgrowth of volunteers and activists standing up for the game.

In other words, it's not about what PPA is giving us. Rather, it's about what we're all doing to advocate for our game to make our organization stronger, so we can fight back in an organized fashion.
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12-08-2014 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
I just called Cleaver's office and told a young lady that I don't support non-essential legislation being slipped into the omnibus bill. Especially this bill and I didn't agree with RAWA at all.
That's a cool story.

When will we know when we dodged this bullet? End of Friday?
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12-08-2014 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
That's a cool story.

When will we know when we dodged this bullet? End of Friday?
This kind of thing is definitely not helping our case, and I admit to being part of it sometimes as well by not always helping. But being condescending to the only people actually trying to help you, while you sit there doing nothing, while also expecting them to help you, makes no sense. Just send 1 tweet, even if you think it has a .000000001 or 99 percent chance of helping.
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12-08-2014 , 04:42 PM
I have good news. Leading conservative groups Competitive Enterprise Institute, Americans for Tax Reform, American Conservative Union, and Digital Liberty are circulating a letter authored by Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ) opposing a vote on RAWA during the lame duck session. The letter characterizes RAWA as "a bill that takes away the ability of states to make their own decisions regarding online gambling." It goes on further, stating, "(r)egardless of your views of online gambling, we hope you see the importance of preserving the states’ Tenth Amendment rights on this issue."

Today's DAP focuses on asking Liberty Caucus members to sign onto this important letter. So, please be sure to send the tweets. Thanks!
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12-08-2014 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
So, now you want to pick and choose our supporters?
When it comes to a person who wants to abolish the EPA, yes.

EPA is more important than Online poker.
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12-08-2014 , 04:44 PM
Some here complain about conservatives and poker, but it seems the percentage of conservative groups taking action against RAWA might exceed the percentage of the poker community speaking up.

Please be sure to visit the DAP thread. Ensure our lawmakers hear from you.
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12-08-2014 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by everydaygrind
When it comes to a person who wants to abolish the EPA, yes.

EPA is more important than Online poker.
Well, not everyone will agree with you on every political position. I learned long ago not everyone will agree with me.

Dr. Paul has alternative ways of dealing with issues of the environment, but it's really off topic, as his success or failure in helping us win our fight won't help or hurt anything else on his plate.
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12-08-2014 , 04:47 PM
I sent the following email to my Senators. Better than my email to Cleaver, but I had more time with these two.

Dear Senator:

I am writing because I am against the idea of non-essential legislation being slipped into must pass legislation. As I understand it, such action is being contemplated for the Restore America's Wire Act (RAWA) bill and I am against it. I am also against this bill. It is a solution looking for a problem, will not protect consumers, and will trample on states' rights.

Do NOT support the slipping in of this bill into the omnibus spending bill and do NOT support RAWA at all.

Thank you for your consideration.

A constituent.
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