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07-05-2009 , 03:18 AM
Bunch of pearl clutching, self-congratulatory drama queens itt.
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07-05-2009 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
When you play in a tournament for a charity, you are expected to donate to that charity. If you don't want to donate to that charity, then don't play in the tournament. Make your own private donations on your own time. When you take the money yourself and do not donate to the charity, it does look a whole lot like taking the money and running with it. It's no surprise that people would jump to that conclusion whether it was true or not.

Of course, we know that is in all likelihood not the case. Admo appears to be a trustworthy person who will follow through on his charitable intentions. However, not donating to AUFA after playing a tournament set up to contribute to that charity is very odd and looks really bad regardless of your own personal intentions. Even if you do eventually donate, delaying this much also harms your reputation regardless of the reason why you delayed.

Mason highlighted the biggest problem and that is that the players have the option to not donate. Information on who donated and how much they donated should be kept private. Disclosing it in the way "Hunter" did is a good way to get taken to court for libel and character defamation.

I'm assuming you missed the part where he said he is donating to a charity to help the same people that AUFA does yet has lower admin expenses.
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07-05-2009 , 03:57 AM
Re-enactment of the fateful night by "Hunter":

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07-05-2009 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ClubChamp04
Oh yeah? Show us where he says that or stfu and stop putting words in his mouth.
Read between the lines... and be eaasssy buddy
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07-05-2009 , 05:16 AM
So, in summary, some random blogger receives a semi-anonymous email, it contains a series of lies, they publish it without conducting any verification of the claims, and Annie Duke is associated with ethically dubious people.

I'm shocked. This stuff never happens on the internet.
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07-05-2009 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonesy8
This might be a brilliant ploy by this Admo guy. Exploiting a super-weak field of rich people who probably aren't even trying that hard because it's supposed to be for charity and then keeping the $.
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Originally Posted by eastern motors
Except he is rich too.


And WTF are people talking about WRT Admo handling the Cornell Fiji situation badly? Letting people get away with things like that make all of us less safe.
I'm grunching the hell out of this thread, but the bold is what has me filled with anticipation. In the Cornell threads, and there were millions, admo DID reveal that being rich is far from the truth. Maybe it's just "cash-poor", who knows, i'm not trying to signify anything, just saying that this turns it from a no-chance situation to a very very slim chance.

Or maybe i'm just making a stretch to add my own excitement, considering my initial reaction was like most others, that there's no way admo isn't on the level.
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07-05-2009 , 06:53 AM
I have read the whole thread and like almost everyone else here, I'm definitely on Admo's side as he definitely seems to be a stand-up guy. However, I have one question for him :

Why did you decide to enter the tournament in the first place ?

If you had no agenda at all and it was all about a charity that you think is legitimately doing some good then it's only a matter of discurteous AUFA people chasing you around (which I definitely imagine can be tilting).

However, it seems to be more than that as at some point (don't know if it was before you ever entered the tournament or during) you decided that you were going to leverage, for lack of a better word, the other half of your winnings, probably (I'm saying 'probably' as I don't think you admitted it yourself) for a release of a list of all the superuser names on UB.

If this is indeed the case, I think that is very wrong way to go about it, although I can definitely understand where you're coming from and what you would like to accomplish.

Indeed, although UB sponsors the event, I think you need to differentiate between this scumbag site and AUFA and that trying to talk to Annie Duke and/or go public (don't know if you ever planned to do such a thing) saying something to the effect of 'I already gave AUFA X$ but I will give it the full amount if UB decides to release the list' will be bad publicity for an NGO that always has been, to the best of my knowledge, a stand-up one and will definitely not succeed in making UB release the list.

Think of it this way : if a known HS reg made a post on 2+2 saying 'Ok, I have an idea. I will call Annie Duke and tell her that I will give 50k to AUFA if UB releases the list of superusers', do you think people would tell him that it's a good idea ? Most likely, I think people would tell him that it's just not going to work.

Hence, although I think you're trustworthy and definitely had nothing but good intentions all along, nothing good can come from mixing UB with the AUFA here.

Hope you understand my point and will correct me if there are any mistakes or inaccuracies in my post.
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07-05-2009 , 06:56 AM
While I sympathize with Admo to some degree, overall I think he is equally responsible for how completely out-of-proportion this story has been blown. I mean, the guy got 2nd place in some charity tournament and now it is merely unclear what he is doing with his winnings. Frankly, why is this such a big deal?

Had I been Admo's personal adviser, I would have told him to ignore those morons writing untruths about him, and focus himself on his personal matter. Then, once he got his personal matter under control, I would have told him to get the money and do whatever it is he intended to do with. And, if someone has a problem with the way he handled himself, he should tell them to go **** themselves.

This is a non-story that a bunch of idiots with imperfect information and nothing better to do decided to inflame. Again, I sympathize with Admo, but he would have been better advised to ignore all of the riffraff that is so far beneath as to be not worth the effort to respond to. But, apparently, that is not Admo's MO.
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07-05-2009 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JediMyndTrik
Re-enactment of the fateful night by "Hunter":

AWESOME
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07-05-2009 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by noseeds99
I'm assuming you missed the part where he said he is donating to a charity to help the same people that AUFA does yet has lower admin expenses.
lol lower admin costs. you mean they dont run fundraisers or advertise so they take in less money. what is better a charity that runs poker tournaments and advertises therefore has a 35 percent admin costs but takes in 1 milion dollars or a company that doesnt so they have a lower admin cost but only take in 100k. seems like a pretty big douchebag move to go to fundraiser for a certain charity and take their money and give it to somebody else.
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07-05-2009 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cory Matthews
lol lower admin costs. you mean they dont run fundraisers or advertise so they take in less money. what is better a charity that runs poker tournaments and advertises therefore has a 35 percent admin costs but takes in 1 milion dollars or a company that doesnt so they have a lower admin cost but only take in 100k. seems like a pretty big douchebag move to go to fundraiser for a certain charity and take their money and give it to somebody else.
He's talking about admin costs on the back end, ffs.
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07-05-2009 , 11:13 AM
Yeah I think admin costs are in referance to the salaries of the people working for the charity, operational costs would be used for advertisement, events, etc.

At least I think that's how it works.
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07-05-2009 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Cory Matthews
lol lower admin costs. you mean they dont run fundraisers or advertise so they take in less money. what is better a charity that runs poker tournaments and advertises therefore has a 35 percent admin costs but takes in 1 milion dollars or a company that doesnt so they have a lower admin cost but only take in 100k. seems like a pretty big douchebag move to go to fundraiser for a certain charity and take their money and give it to somebody else.
This isnt a fundraiser for Coke where he used his winnings to go buy some Pepsi. Thinking its significant at all how the money gets to the end charity is more douchey than thinking its better to donate direct rather than via some shady middle man.

And yeah, im using shady since its already been said in this thread that no one knows the overheads that AUFA takes out. I mean have you been on their website, they talk about raising all this money but have zero info on their organisation and apparently refuse to talk about their operational and administrational expenses.

Btw, partially thanks to this thread i decided to sign up to donate money monthly to the British Red Cross - i hope others consider if they could be doing more to help those less fortunate.

Last edited by [Phill]; 07-05-2009 at 11:22 AM. Reason: double negatives
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07-05-2009 , 12:02 PM
its a new day again,,, lets make the best out of it and enjoin it complete... including the naked fish part,,
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07-05-2009 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Admo
Since you folks haven't taken me at my word or corrected the error, I'll arrange (at my expense) for a poker journalist to visit the cage with me when I collect the winnings to verify that I haven't taken anything. You can choose the journalist, provided it is someone that received the initial email. BJ Nemeth seems like the obvious choice if he's willing.
Disclosure: I haven't read this entire thread, though I have closely skimmed it and read several of the comments from players that I know, and I've read every comment by Admo. I've also read the entire comment thread at Pokerati. I'd love to read it all, but I am *really* busy right now with the Main Event going on.

Of course I'm willing to be present when Admo collects his winnings, and there won't be any expenses involved as long as I'm still in Las Vegas. (I should be in town until July 22nd or so.) An email to my 2+2 username (no spaces or periods) at mac.com is probably the best way to get in touch with me.
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07-05-2009 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Lepatata
1) who gives a crap about africa

a) of the mind that admo should donate what he would have donated to AUFA to a needy american charity like someone else suggested

i) hunter gets fired

2) africans will continue to suffer whether or not admo donates to them 50k

3) very likely that most donations are squandered by the charity itself

4) seriously...who gives a crap about africa?
yeh it always tilts me when people donate to "starving people in africa". Anyone who does has no understanding what so ever of economics or finance, because 99% of their money does no good for human society what so ever. Much of it is wasted in the charity bearucracy, and the rest of it just encourages more future births which causes more to suffer (the Malthusian effect). Furthermore, it f***s up grain prices in the area and farmers work less hard and that causes more to suffer too.

I just think people need to do the research before donating to starving people in africa. Fwiw, 100% of any money I donate goes to scientific research or for birth control in 3rd world countries. Overpopulation, and underdeveloped economy, and bad government is why the africans suffer. Its not really something money can fix very easily.
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07-05-2009 , 01:11 PM
$50 000 donation to Condoms Admo. or else keep the $$$$.

The Admo Trojan project,
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07-05-2009 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by beermankirk
$50 000 donation to Condoms Admo. or else keep the $$$$.

The Admo Trojan project,
I lol'd.

But seriously if Annie Duke is associated with this bull crap charity I would be hesitant too.

Why is he such a "prick" if donating is optional? It's a 4800 dollar tourney IMO. He never said he wan't donating. Maybe the charity organizers are so pissed cuz he is taking money out of THEIR pocker not Africa's.....
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07-05-2009 , 01:25 PM
Admo:

You can give the money to me. I won't **** up grain prices or have malnourished kids.
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07-05-2009 , 02:27 PM
Why is Admo giving any money to AUFA again? It seems like that world vision charity would be a much better choice. I would love to see less money shipped to AUFA and more to world vision/children inc (another <3 2p2 charity)
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07-05-2009 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdasefx
Maybe the charity organizers are so pissed cuz he is taking money out of THEIR pocker not Africa's.....
Pretty sure there's no maybe here. I imagine AUFA takes about 20% of the donations for admin costs like paying some staffer to harass potential donors.
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07-05-2009 , 03:05 PM
Admo do what you feel is right. It doesn't matter what anyone says/thinks in this spot.
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07-05-2009 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spino1i
yeh it always tilts me when people donate to "starving people in africa". Anyone who does has no understanding what so ever of economics or finance, because 99% of their money does no good for human society what so ever. Much of it is wasted in the charity bearucracy, and the rest of it just encourages more future births which causes more to suffer (the Malthusian effect). Furthermore, it f***s up grain prices in the area and farmers work less hard and that causes more to suffer too.

I just think people need to do the research before donating to starving people in africa. Fwiw, 100% of any money I donate goes to scientific research or for birth control in 3rd world countries. Overpopulation, and underdeveloped economy, and bad government is why the africans suffer. Its not really something money can fix very easily.
I am still happy giving money to certain charities even though your right a % of it is spent on things that I really don't like that it's spent on. just giving a starving kid an extra meal or any sort of help for a proper education is fine with me and helps me sleep better at night compared to just adding that money to my bank account.
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07-05-2009 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by exec771
Yea, GL with the baby..
+1
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07-05-2009 , 03:49 PM
This is from a press release from Nolan Dala, Nolan is the Media Director for the WSOP and a "stand up guy" in exactly the same way that Admo is, he might be the most ethical person I have ever come across in the poker industry - honest as the day is long. The quote is from the first paragraph of the release, the remainder of the release is about Day 1B. Putting out this statement is a bit unprecedented for the WSOP from what I am aware of, as expected Nolan took the best course ethically including leaving out Admo's name since this was never released by the WSOP in the first place.

PS: Nolan is the author of One of a Kind, the Stu Ungar biography. A fantastic book if you haven't read it yet, its my favorite poker related novel.

NOTE TO MEDIA ABOUT “ANTE-UP FOR AFRICA”:

In the days following the third annual Ante Up For Africa tournament, WSOP officials have received a number of media inquiries regarding the event’s second-place finisher – specifically whether he collected his winnings without donating a portion to the cause the tournament benefits. In light of these ongoing inquiries and certain erroneous media reports that have been filed since the event’s conclusion, the WSOP feels it is necessary to clarify certain relevant facts.

First and foremost, the second-place finisher, to date, has not collected his tournament winnings. Nor has he stated an intention not to contribute to the charity. This player has, in fact, contacted Ante Up For Africa organizers to discuss his plans for the money. Any reports to the contrary are factually inaccurate and should be disregarded.


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