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08-13-2009 , 08:42 PM
podcast material imo
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08-13-2009 , 10:08 PM
I just skimmed through this whole thread (read all the important posts). Here's a summary:

Adam Richardson = Hero
Annie Duke = Bitch
Ante Up For Africa = Scam

There. Made it easy for ya.



Seriously though, good luck Admo, get the truth out there.
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08-13-2009 , 10:45 PM
So annie duke is a piece of ****...what else is new
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08-13-2009 , 11:07 PM
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08-13-2009 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Sanford
Some too long Cliff's Notes for anyone just seeing this now who is confused. I did a lot of research on this as professionally I audit Not-for-Profit charities.
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I don't have too much experience with non-profit company financials but aren't there ways to make restricted donations so that the money can only be spent in a particular manner as agreed upon like only being used for program expenses?

I know I've seen companies with restricted cash that usually stems from some kind of government grant or some other relatively large contribution for that company, but I don't see why a lot of companies would be that against a large contribution being used in a manner as the generous donator sees fit if they were really against it being used for political advocacy?

Last edited by GoFishing; 08-13-2009 at 11:41 PM.
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08-14-2009 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski
I think there are a number of obvious benefits from the course of action taken by Admo. The extent of such, cannot be quantified at this time:

1. This thread alone has brought awareness to many issues (real and possible) regarding charities and how money goes from your pocket to the purported beneficiary.

2. It puts focus on how charities and fund raising events use funds for administrative purposes (such as an after-party at PURE ... assumption on my behalf, but still its hard to stomach ANTE UP footing this bill - wait for it - while there are children starving in Africa).

3. Anything Annie Duke is associated with should be open game for questioning as long as she refuses to come clean. Again, organizations should be more careful in choosing their business associates. No matter how you want to spin it, AD's hands are dirty and she has done little to clear the air (except for issue self-serving statements of little substance to the UB scandal).

4. The behavior of the staff after the tourney was beyond the pale. On that basis alone, Admo (imo) was morally justified in changing charities.

5. Admo has done nothing but put the ball in Ante Up's court to answer some questions and clear up some concerns. So far, they have not issued appropriate responses and it looks like a different charity will get the donation.

Now, I am sure one might say: "Well, you should have looked into this before you decided to play ... once you enterd, you make a tacit agreement to donate to the host charity." Perhaps that should be given some weight, but its not that simple.

No matter what Admo's intentions were, at some point, he was not going to be satisfied with handing money over to a charity fronted by Annie Duke without her answering some questions. After being harassed after the tourney, Admo left his money at the cage and issued some simple instructions explaining that he will settle up at a later date under some specified conditions.

Now, in the interim, and (it seems) in response to this thread, come questions have come up regarding the "charity" itself. Is it now wrong to insist on having some fundamental questions answered regarding the charity? If its all on the up-and-up, I am sure this will be sorted in short-order and everyone will be happy.

Unfortunately (and this should not be lost on us) "Hunter" who apparently issued an email with some purported authority, brought the issue out in the open. At this point, Admo is pushed into a no-win situation (at least if he decides to donate to Ante Up) since the negative publicity has already been released and any donation to Ante Up at this point will be carry the taint of coercion.

Now, since Hunter and Ante Up decided to take this course of action and deprive Admo of the benefit of the bargain, they will only get their donation under the conditions set by Admo.
1. Woah, woah, woah, I respect your opinion, but the hell could anyone not know this? It has been blown way out of proportion by people like Mr. Sanford who is an "accountant" claiming to know something fishy, when in reality he would actually need to be an "official authority," to have any access to the real info he needs, i.e. IRS auditors. Lance Armstrong made 200K as president for "Livestrong," in 2007 and probably makes more today, these salaries are standard in the charity industry (a lot of these people could be making in the high millions elsewhere on another board).

2. You have never been to a party hosted by a charity? Everyone who donated knew of the after party, and probably most went to it. If there was an unlimited tab, or a bit too much out of control, I think they would be better to comment better than someone who wasn't there.

3. What were Admo's requests? Sure Admo was having issues getting the money out, and his personal situation didn't help, but everyone that donated presumably had busy schedules and were ready and able to donate because they split their cash prize right there. Admo presumably could not because of his donation was contingent on his "request." People running the charity would be understandably confused.

4. The staff behaved inappropriately, but they are expecting to receive half a donation, a simple yes or %, not some request that cannot be answered to within a few hours of the tournament ending. He should have not followed Admo into the bathroom, but the guy is probably makes 12 dollars an hour and was on the hook for getting the donation. Why make a huge deal out of this, when this guy had almost nothing to do with the way the event was run, which in Admo's opinion, was excellent.

5. If you have ever tried getting through to any charity, you know that you will get answers, you must just ask twice, its a shame, but its true. If you really believe that an organization that is as public and prominent as these guys are siphoning money off the top to promote a socialistic agenda, than more power to you.

"Hunter," wrote an email to a blog, which said blog posted. Admo would never win on defamation, one because its the internet, two he has no "real damages." Someone said something bad about you on the internet, this has been blown out of proportion by Admo IMO, and AUFA has no duty to release any statement about something an employee wrote to a blogger. Annie Duke may be untrustworthy, but Nolan Dalla, in the poker world, is not, and as far as I know, neither is Don Cheaddle.
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08-14-2009 , 03:03 AM
Admo... I feel ya and I love ya... Can't wait for March Madness pool next year... Are we going to switch to Yahoo?
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08-14-2009 , 10:45 AM
Isn't there a way to trace that email from hunter? I know if you right click an email you get all kinds of headers and paths, think the og ip is included also.


Anyway, lol great work admo on ypur last post. Too much coincidence in all that imo.
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08-14-2009 , 11:54 AM
Yeah Annie Duke likes using literary references as her nicknames too, remember that shady incident where Joe Reitman won that big UB tournament a few years ago he was playing on her account, which was named hhumbert, presumably after Humbert Humbert from Lolita.
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08-14-2009 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bustowithnobra
this has been blown out of proportion by Admo IMO
I haven't posted in this thread in over a month and only mentioned it again when I found what Annie Duke recently said at The Bike. I heard (but didn't post) the accounts of her badmouthing me to Erik Seidel and to other players and media at the PURE after party, but that was when she thought I was stiffing Darfur. She knows that I donated $11k out of pocket, that the money is still at the cage, and that nobody at Ante Up For Africa will return my emails... yet she still continues the smear campaign. Her behaviour when the cameras aren't rolling is pretty baffling.

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Originally Posted by bustowithnobra
If you have ever tried getting through to any charity, you know that you will get answers, you must just ask twice, its a shame, but its true.
This has not been my experience.

I've been speaking with two charities that both called me back on the phone within 12 hours after my email inquiry. They've gone to great lengths to send me all the information I've asked for. Their finanical reports are posted on their web sites. They've explained the government matching funds that will multiply our donation to Darfur by 7.5 or 15 times, depending on the specific fund we give to. They've followed up many times and recommended books to read that align with their approach to tackling the Sudan crisis. One of the administrators at World Vision wrote to me in a handwritten letter that she is praying for God to give my wife and I wisdom in our decision, whether we end up giving to their charity or another. (World Vision is Christian based)

In contrast Ante Up For Africa doesn't seem that interested in another $50k if it comes with questions attached. They have been asked many times to account for the $2.6M they've collected from poker players over the past three years.

Is it a direct funnel to other charities or is there AUFA overhead involved? Of the money that gets funneled to other charities, what percentage goes to which? Is it for relief or advocacy efforts, ie. is the money used to house refugees in camps, to feed and clothe them, to return them back to their homes, or to pressure leaders, governments and nations into action? What measurable impact has the 2.6M had thus far? When money goes to other charities, is it specifically earmarked for Darfur or could it get lumped into a general fund and possibly used for other efforts? What are the administrative and fundraising costs of all charities involved?

I would encourage you (or anyone) to ask Ante Up For Africa these questions once, twice, whatever it takes. Many have tried. AUFA isn't talking.
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08-14-2009 , 11:58 AM
NVG may not be the place to ask this, but what about all those people who donated to AUFA before it received its 501(c)(3) status? Are they all likely to have (inadvertantly) stiffed the IRS?

Ex. John wins $100,000 at AUFA 2008 and donates $50,000 back. At the end of the year he deducts $50,000 from year end income as a charitable donation, should he have actually paid tax on that since AUFA was not a 501(c)(3)?
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08-14-2009 , 01:58 PM
The effort and extent of this plan has to be admired, but the goal wasn't to actually get Annie to release that info was it? I mean, that info has to be worth millions and millions of dollars to her. The price tag used from this event is no where near what it would actually cost to get this info IMO.

If however the goal was to just bring a little publicity to the subject (which is what I think it was about) than I like it, and am pretty sad it didn't get more publicity. I have a feeling it will in years to come though.

You should try to find a cheaper person on the UB payroll to target next time. I am sure there must be some sort of executive that has the info with a much smaller price tag than Annie.
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08-14-2009 , 03:23 PM
kinda funny also

huntersosthompson Member Since: 07/03/2009 of yahoo
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08-14-2009 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by elusively
I'm sure it's been said at least once by now in 43 pages, but just in case:

There were several people who made comments on pokerati that indicated that if Admo was having personal problems, he shouldn't have been playing in the tournament to begin with. They then tried to use this as justification for the AUFA representative pestering him outside of the bathroom while making his personal phone call. This bottles my mind.

How can people be so illogical/borderline retarted?
Quoted for hilariousness.

Mark
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08-14-2009 , 09:32 PM
Adam Richardson is my hero, I always thought Annie was a tool but I never knew she was so ******ed.
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08-14-2009 , 11:38 PM
Reading this thread for the first time. Admo, the class and composure you appear to have handled this with is truely awesome.
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08-15-2009 , 12:14 AM
If Admo ran for President I might actually vote.
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08-15-2009 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
If Admo ran for President I might actually vote.
+1 and i love annie duke pwnage especially after her complete stupidness my god
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08-15-2009 , 12:24 PM
Moar admo ITT plz
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08-15-2009 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Admo
I haven't posted in this thread in over a month and only mentioned it again when I found what Annie Duke recently said at The Bike. I heard (but didn't post) the accounts of her badmouthing me to Erik Seidel and to other players and media at the PURE after party, but that was when she thought I was stiffing Darfur. She knows that I donated $11k out of pocket, that the money is still at the cage, and that nobody at Ante Up For Africa will return my emails... yet she still continues the smear campaign. Her behaviour when the cameras aren't rolling is pretty baffling.
admo, is there going to reach a point where you will consider suing duke for slander?
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08-15-2009 , 01:53 PM
i read the first 10-15 pages and the last 3-4 pages.

did anyone ever respond to Admo's email to AUFA?
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08-15-2009 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Into2ndWind
did anyone ever respond to Admo's email to AUFA?
One reply from the head saying he doesn't have time to respond.
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08-15-2009 , 02:17 PM
Sounds like there's a lot more to be said on this topic. Down with Annie Duke imo.
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08-15-2009 , 02:34 PM
Somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why Darfur gets so much celebrity/media attention when there are probably 8 countries/regions in Africa alone that are just as bad or worse?
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08-15-2009 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerho
Somewhat off topic, but does anyone know why Darfur gets so much celebrity/media attention when there are probably 8 countries/regions in Africa alone that are just as bad or worse?
Most men prefer some fur
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