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07-09-2009 , 05:59 PM
if someone obtains a copy of AUFA 990 form could they please put a screen shot of it in this thread
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07-09-2009 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
So it's perfectly OK to:

- Ask zero questions ahead of time
- Assume that because Annie Duke is involved, it is likely to be shady
- Pummel the soft field to a second-place finish
- Create a drama-bomb to focus attention on the issue
- NOW start asking questions
Yes.
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07-09-2009 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
FFS does ANYONE have the slightest clue how bad this is going to look?

Donate the first $50K like any other normal human being, and if you then want to donate the other $50K in return for some list of superusers, that's your business. Negotiate it privately, and good luck, you'll need it. Nobody watching ESPN is going to understand the issue, or care.

Simply withholding your donation is idiotic IMO. There is virtually no way this will end up good. For anyone.

Alright, I've had my say, I'm done.
Dude, You have, at this part of the thread that I have reached so far 9237 posts. For some reason I have a gut feel you are not quite done yet. amirite?
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07-09-2009 , 07:14 PM
So wait, now he's not demanding a list of super users? Or to meet Annie Duke? Or Hunter? Or even to see official proof that they're a legit charity?

What was the point of any of this then?
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07-09-2009 , 10:06 PM
I don't think I'll be satisfied with the pwnage in this thread until Admo gets to meet this Hunter character face to face.
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07-09-2009 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GobboFan
to be looked as a hero by all the 2+2 fanboys.
Says a poster by the name of GobboFan...

GobboFan = Hunter?
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07-10-2009 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Admo
Mr. Epstein didn't answer any of my other questions; he explained that he is in the midst of a personal matter of his own. He will be unable to communicate with me for several weeks so this is probably the last update for a while. In closing, I asked if he could have one of his staffers provide me with financial reports and told him that I look forward to speaking with again him whenever he is able.
You accepted this explanation Admo? I can't believe that when the biggest controversy to happen in the 3 year history of AUFA occurs the main man behind the day to day operation of the event all of a sudden becomes completely unavailable to answer a few simple questions. Sounds like a convenient means of letting time pass to allow people to get bored of the story to my cynical ears. Exact same tactic UB has been using to perfection for the past year on their outstanding matters.

Also, Oski has been winning this thread lately.

BTW, the public should not have to ask how the money is being used. It should be clearly detailed with associated documentation on the AUFA website. The fact the website provides no information at all as to how the donations have been dispersed from previous tournaments leaves the door open for any participant to demand answers to any questions they wish to ask, whether they had those questions before the tournament started or after they finished 2nd.

Last edited by Mike Johnson; 07-10-2009 at 12:09 AM.
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07-10-2009 , 12:09 AM
Financial reports of all 501 c 3's are readily available fyi
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07-10-2009 , 12:10 AM
You should not give these thieves a freaking penny. They treid to put a guilt trip on you and they need to pay the price. Who the hell comes up with an Ante up For Africa Charity? Sounds like the dumbest thing I have EVER heard of in my life.

All the stinking money these pigs make from holding these idiotic charity events and they could simply go to the local under-privileged schools and hand out scholarships.....that would be something that someone could see, and something that would have a positive effect on society.

It is terrible, but sending money to the extremely unfortunate hopeless people of Darfur is a horrible way of spending the money donated from these tournaments.

Just like Angelina Jolie.....she charges People magazine millions of dollars for baby photos and then donates one million for some far off cause. She wouldn't think about adopting some baby born in a United States ghetto.

You have been scammed out of 60K. I hope this charity gets shut down and everyone involved goes to jail and gets abandoned by their families.

Haha.....suckers.
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07-10-2009 , 12:11 AM
so everyone who criticized admo for not caring enough about the relief for africa- say hi to Norman Epstein- who apparently cares as long as it doesn't interfere with his daily life.
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07-10-2009 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kiddcheckers
Financial reports of all 501 c 3's are readily available fyi
Yup. We're all just waiting for the organization's name that was used to file the 501(c)3 because it's not listed under their market name.
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07-10-2009 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson
. . . BTW, the public should not have to ask how the money is being used. It should be clearly detailed with associated documentation on the AUFA website. The fact the website provides no information at all as to how the donations have been dispersed from previous tournaments leaves the door open for any participant to demand answers to any questions they wish to ask, whether they had those questions before the tournament started or after they finished 2nd.
I'm with you MJ.
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07-10-2009 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
So it's perfectly OK to:

- Ask zero questions ahead of time
- Assume that because Annie Duke is involved, it is likely to be shady
- Pummel the soft field to a second-place finish
- Create a drama-bomb to focus attention on the issue
- NOW start asking questions

And anyone playing the event can, nay SHOULD, use the same strategy, because of Annie Duke's involvement.

Well, fine. I guess that's all there is to say. It's all Annie Duke's fault for starting up a charity, and it's all the organizers fault for actually expecting a top finisher to donate to the actual charity that put on the actual event, and Admo is a genius and a god.

OK, got it. Carry on.
Annie starting up the charity is great. The problem is UB reaping the benefits. UB became the "unofficial" sponsor of this event, garnering tremendous good-will and PR amongst the public. (i.e Hellmuth being MC)

If Annie Duke doesn't distinguish btwn her roles as host of the AufA tourney and as a UB representative, and indeed benefits from the overlap, then she opens up the AufA to the negative aspects of that association.
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07-10-2009 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Admo
Norman Epstein (charity co-founder) confirmed that Ante Up For Africa is a "501(c)3 non-profit organization."

Maybe you forensic accounting wizards overlooked something, is that possible? It seems unlikely someone would lie about their 501(c)3 status if it is easily verifiable via public record.
The name of the charity they registered with the IRS could be Cheadle/Duke or just about anything, so it is quite possible that they are a legit charity who never mentions the actual name they have registered under. It would be unusual, but quite possible. I would assume that someone like Matt Damon would do due diligence before he associated with them, so the mere fact that we can't find a 990 doesn't mean that they aren't legit.

Even if they turn out to be an ordinary non-profit whose purpose is to raise money for other 501(c)3s, what they are doing is still good and meaningful (although not necessarily tax deductible) As a result of their actions, a lot of money has been raised for groups like Refugees International and the Enough Project, whose efforts are transparent and documented.

They don't appear to wasting an obvious ton of money. Their office address is a mailbox drop, so it is probably safe to assume that their overhead is not outrageous.
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07-10-2009 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by NoSoup4U
They don't appear to wasting an obvious ton of money. Their office address is a mailbox drop, so it is probably safe to assume that their overhead is not outrageous.
I have always thought that when an organizations office address is a mailbox drop they are usually dodgey and something to hide.
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07-10-2009 , 06:01 AM
rememember when Annie Dukes new husband won the big donkament on UB.
Karma is a bitch dizzy Annie
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07-10-2009 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by NoSoup4U
The name of the charity they registered with the IRS could be Cheadle/Duke or just about anything, so it is quite possible that they are a legit charity who never mentions the actual name they have registered under. It would be unusual, but quite possible. I would assume that someone like Matt Damon would do due diligence before he associated with them, so the mere fact that we can't find a 990 doesn't mean that they aren't legit.

Even if they turn out to be an ordinary non-profit whose purpose is to raise money for other 501(c)3s, what they are doing is still good and meaningful (although not necessarily tax deductible) As a result of their actions, a lot of money has been raised for groups like Refugees International and the Enough Project, whose efforts are transparent and documented.

They don't appear to wasting an obvious ton of money. Their office address is a mailbox drop, so it is probably safe to assume that their overhead is not outrageous.
Domino Effect: Matt Damon doesn't need to research because he assumes Don Cheadle did; Ed Norton doesn't because he assumes his buddy Matt Damon did; Don Cheadle doesn't because he assumes Annie did, etc....

Also, drop box? You mean like PO Box? You mean like what 99% of scammer charities use?

Do you realize that legit charities pay salaries to their staff members... six-figures and such? Wouldn't you like to know how that "charitable" money is spent??
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07-10-2009 , 06:29 AM
Pinapple888 I hope you are leveling in this thread. If not wow at you being able to type all by yourself.
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07-10-2009 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
So it's perfectly OK to:

- Ask zero questions ahead of time
- Assume that because Annie Duke is involved, it is likely to be shady
- Pummel the soft field to a second-place finish
- Create a drama-bomb to focus attention on the issue
- NOW start asking questions
yes
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07-10-2009 , 11:19 AM
In an effort to get some definitive answers about this charity I am attempting to contact their office. There is no phone number listed on their website. I have written an e-mail to the address you are given when you click on "contact us" (support@anteupforafrica.org) but I have yet to receive a response. If anyone has any information as to a phone number to contact someone in charge at AUFA (or a general office number) I would greatly appreciate it.

It seems that until we get a solid answer as to the status of their required government filings we are going to just continue to spin in speculative circles.
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07-10-2009 , 11:25 AM
I love the twoplustwo police. I seriously think they are more competant than the actual Police.
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07-10-2009 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TxSteve
I'm still hung up on "these are highly respected people"

they are politicians for god's sake...maybe they are 'respected' in whatever circles you run in - but not mine...
poker players, and politicians, and the word highly respected,

yikes !!
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07-11-2009 , 05:09 PM
At this point I think Admo should just issue a release to the poker press/ESPN/WSOP stating he is giving his donation to X charity that also does work in Darfur. State that after being unable to verify admin costs vs. program funding of the AUFA charitiable gross through the AUFA Co-Founder and main office, as well as being unable to verify the filing of a form 990 via the IRS and through multiple requests to the AUFA founders and staff it became necessary to find another avenue for the contribution. AUFA has been unable to provide answers to questions in regards to financial disclosures, has stated that AUFA is a 501(c)3 charity, but has not to date fulfilled a request for verifiable documentation of such. Apologize, but emphsize that your donation WILL go to Darfur related charities (if that's your intention), and submit that as a donor your personal stance is to verify the background of each charity donated to, and as such because AUFA either has a policy against providing, or does not have the resources to provide, donors with such information you will refrain from participating from their further ventures so as to avoid the same confusion in the future. Thank them for putting on a fun event, doing noble work, and state your desire to provide contributions to their great cause as their "kinks" get worked out enough to provide the information necessary for responsible donors to get up to date information and do due dillegence about their current agenda, successes, and charitable financial disclosures.

This of course if the plan is now to release the donation.
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07-11-2009 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WarmNuts
He entered a CHARITY tournament with no means of donating to CHARITY if he was to win.

He cheated out children in Africa and he cheated out other pros from wanteing to donate their winnings.

some of you people are so blind eyed and biased because Admo is a forum regular
so jonny hughs makes a dik of himself and disappears from the thread ,then this idiot pops up spouting the same line
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07-11-2009 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Sanford
In an effort to get some definitive answers about this charity I am attempting to contact their office. There is no phone number listed on their website. I have written an e-mail to the address you are given when you click on "contact us" (support@anteupforafrica.org) but I have yet to receive a response.
They used a proxy to register their domain. This is a service you have to pay extra that obscures the contact info for the site behind a proxy. It reeks of impropriety, at least to me.

Their slogan is "your identity is nobody's business but ours"

Check it out: http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/
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