As much as I'm trying not to derail this thread any further I couldn't help but respond to the above.

Simplicitus you should really do more research before you make statements like the above. On a 990 you are required to list your 5 highest paid employees other than officers, directors and trustees (these are the members of the executive committee as you noted and most of their salaries are north of $200,000).

For 2007 three of the five highest paid employees listed here are noted as Senior Fellows and earned the following:

Lawrence Korb - $182,810
Gayle Smith - $172,797
Ralph Lilly - $168,576

If you review the CAP website (www.americanprogress.com) you will see that there are over 40 people listed in this same category. Please note that the 990 also lists that these people each worked about an average of 40 hours per week at CAP. However, I can tell you from a lot of experience that time cards and appropriate time records at not-for-profits are almost non-existent and those numbers can never be trusted. In the end SeaBaer is much closer to the truth than you are Simplicitus.

Admo,

Why have you sent AUFA 11k before (as far as I can tell from this thread) they've submitted some of the info that you'd requested from them earlier?

Are you still going to demand to meet Hunter or at least get some sort of public apology for a rep of the charity publicly slandering you?

Are you going to request anything from Annie/UB regarding the superuser issue?

Do you still ever play at Pechanga?

I think I read most of the thread and hope these haven't been clarified yet, sorry if I missed something skimming and they have.

As indicated previously, the CAP is a top tier think tank in DC with strong ties to the Obama Administration (and is also where a number of former Clinton policy experts worked or continue to work). Most of their "senior fellow" positions, as with any policy think tank, are similar to academic jobs, with similar pay, time and output expectations.

Funds from AUFA go to support the Enough Project, founded by the CAP, and Refugees International. Now, I am not sure just how "walled off" those funds are from standard CAP payroll and expenses, but the Enough Project looks quite legitimate, and I have no reason to believe the CAP is siphoning cash from Enough to line the pockets of its fellows (many of whom could probably make five times as much as private lobbyists). Could I come up with some conspiracy where AUFA cash is being used to buy a gold-plated faucets for Podesta? Sure, but again, these are highly respected people and not a bunch of amateurs and I would need strong evidence, not just a particular conspiratorial bent of mind, to believe this.

I have not presented one bit of a conspiracy theory. I have only presented facts as best I can considering the foggy nature of AUFA. It is obvious you support the work of CAP, simplicitus. That is 100% fine and is quite frankly, irrelevant. The relevant part is whether or not the donors (specifically Admo) are aware of CAP's involvement with AUFA and CAP's normal activities. If they understand what CAP does and wish to support them then they should donate all the money they can afford.

I find it odd that your uninterested in the truth about AUFA because CAP works with the Obama Administration (a defense you've given multiple times). I see the two as completely unrelated.

I am not "uninterested in the truth." I am simply willing to give CAP the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any contrary evidence, because if they say the money goes to Enough, and Enough was founded by the CAP to help deal with problems in Darfur and other troubled African areas, then I think this is a very competent group of people to deal with those issues. Would Oxfam, or Drs Without Boarders, or Children, Incorporated be just as good? Probably, and they can also hold poker tournaments.

I mention the Obama administration for two reasons, first because CAP has the type of access that most charities could only dream of and, second, because Obama isn't know for surrounding himself with nitwits.

Whoa is this really true?

Is there another flavor of non-profitness that allows you to funnel donations to other 501(c)3 non-profits?

AUFA is a joint operation of Refugees International and the Enough Project, more of a one-off event. Lots of info here: http://www.enoughproject.org/


"All players were asked to donate half of their winnings to Ante Up for Africa, which in turn will make a significant contributions to Enough and Refugees International."



(So, yes, there is probably some legal mechanism to do this, which you could have one of their folks explain to you.)

If you're going to create an account specifically for this purpose, it'll be deleted. -KM

here is the link at the Enough web site, they did a You Tube video to explain what they are about and it is quite clear that Enough is focused on ADVOCACY they say it outright just like CAP is advocacy for their George Soros, Hillary Clinton progressive/socialist agenda so maybe Admo wants to give his money for basic's like food,water,shelter......ect direct help like he has been for years and not to pay the salaries of Ex Clintonista's (11k wasted imo)

http://www.enoughproject.org/multime...ur-money-helps

Completely valid point. But if one were interested in promoting awareness and policy change, having the ear of the president and the secretary of state is a good place to start.

agreed

I'm sure.

What happened to the meeting with Annie Duke? Hunter?

If I used phrases like "mad props," I'd use it now regarding how you've handled this whole ugly mess. You've managed to even avoid seeming (being?) really pissed off. Hats off, really.

I hope everything goes well with your family.

You don't read 2+2 much if you think Annie Duke is protected here.

What you posted only named Annie, not the other person who allegedly was wronged, which you don't care to post.

Also, there's two accounts from your IP that were created today "Margie", when will the other one make a post?

Huge kudos to Admo, imo you couldn't have handled yourself better in this situation.

OK, so you're a nit

There are some potentially very bad issues being confused in this thread. Non-profits are not the same as 501(c)3 charities. 501(c)3 charity contributions are tax deductible as charitable contributions. Donations to other non-profits are not.

The IRS publishes an online list of all eligible charities at this link along with an addendum of newer charities that are not in the database.

501(c)3 charities are required to file detailed disclosure documents that indicate how much of the money they receive is spent on the charity (among other things). This is the IRS Form 990. I personally would never donate to a charity without scrutinizing it first. There are some really ineffective charities out there.

I can find no record of Ante Up for Africa on the IRS list of approved, tax deductable charities, nor any documentation on what percentage of their income actually makes it to Africa. Claims that they make not backed up by Form 990 are dubious at best. Donations that you make to them may not be tax deductible unless they are registered with the IRS under an unrelated name which I don't know. If I were you, I would demand more information from them to ensure that the majority of their funds are actually being delivered, especially since you may well be losing the tax deductible status for your contribution.

Presumably they actually are a registered charity, because they claim that donations to them are tax deductible on their web site. Perhaps someone else can find them on the IRS list. I can not. If they claim they are tax deductible when they are not, they could be in serious trouble with the IRS for that claim.

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here here. Last year I requested their 990 and the response was "I don't know what that is." I'll find the email tomorrow.

I think it makes donations to other charities. That might be ok, legally.

They might be a great organization that gives 100% of the money they raise to established 501(c)3 charities. I do not mean to suggest otherwise, for I have no way to know the truth of that. However, they specifically state on their donation page that you can send your "tax-deductible donation" to them. If they are a non-profit that is not a 501(c)3, your donation is not tax deductible even if they give all their money to good causes. It would be very foolish to give money that you intend to go to a charity through a non-profit that is not a 501(c)3 because you could donate considerably more at the same cost to a qualifying charity without giving half to Uncle Sam (obviously depending on your tax bracket).

They may be registered under another name, but that would be fairly unusual. For a registered charity not to know what a 990 is defies belief. Perhaps you just spoke to a low-level employee who had not been trained, but I would be extremely careful donating large figures to an organization with an uncertain status. I can tell you that the loss of 501(c)3 status is a catastrophe for a charitable organization. I was on the board of an organization that lost their status for a year due to impermissible lobbying activities and it essentially closed the charity.

From their web site's donation page: https://ssl1.americanprogress.org/di...anteup2008.dwt


Donations will be processed through the Center for American Progress, will be tax deductible, and may be disclosed to the IRS. The Center for American Progress is a 501(c)(3) organizations. Donations through this special donation page are 100% tax deductible and will be split evenly between the Not on Our Watch and Enough.

OMG. I am gonna make a living out of only playing these tournaments.

That's not the page I get, and not how I donated.

Go to anteupforafrica.org and click the giant "Click here to donate now" button.

I get a page that looks like this, where Ante Up For Africa says they are a non-profit organization.



The page you linked to states that the money goes to Not on Our Watch and the Enough Project. Ante Up For Africa's page says the money goes to the Enough Project and Refugees International. Several news outlets reported that the money goes to the Enough Project and the International Rescue Committee. That's five entities altogether. Pretty confusing.

Can anyone say definitively whether or not Ante Up For Africa is a legitimate non-profit? They haven't responded to the questions I sent. I'd like to make sure that money is going to refugees, not after-parties at PURE.

I would say that Ante up for Africa is probably not a typical non-profit, in that they seem to exist only to run a yearly poker tournament, where the proceeds are split between Enough and another organization.

In the legal boilerplate I quoted, they mention NOOW instead of Refugees Intl. I think they did the event with NOOW last year or the year before. This looks like a legal cut-and-paste job where they didn't update the language.

If I were you I would forward your AUFA emails, and maybe this thread, to donate@americanprogress.org. I expect you will receive a more satisfactory response.

how do you think people get involved in these organizations? its 100% scam.