Just wanna chime in, there are some charities doing work in Africa where the money is VERY well spent and not squandered at all. I used to think the same, then looked into it and like for example the best known, Worldvision, (who have all those ads on TV) are apparently incredibly efficient and known to be one of the best run charities. I forget the percentage that ends up directly helping people but I'm pretty sure it's well over 90% after admin costs, etc. (There are others, PM if interested).

I'm a skeptic for sure, I know there are tons of charities around wasting money, but I just think tarring all charities like that is not very helpful when it's not true, and problems like AIDS in Africa is such a worthy cause that can really be hurt by these memes people hear offhandedly and then repeat. Okay just a side note (figured one more sidetrack in this thread couldn't hurt it too much).

I guess what I was saying is, how unreasonable is it to think that the whole tournament is a scam led by Annie Duke? It isn't like the celebs are going to look into things. Obviously it is unlikely, but I just wanted to know if there was a way we knew 100%.

Annie Duke wouldn't let her name be associated with anything shady or dishonest.

Agreed.

How can you know 100% that anybody's honest these days?

There are watchdog orgs that try to keep tabs on various charities, but can we trust the watchdogs?

But whatever, nothing raises any flags in my mind re the particular charity itself, so I don't think that should be the focus. Things ARE pretty horrible over there, and if at least some of the money makes it through, that's all you can ask.

I disagree strongly.

Yeah she'd never do anything that would tarnish her name or humiliate her kids, like making crude sexual comments on national television.

Say yes when nobody asked

Wasn't Annie DUke involved in some other controversial BS situation at some tournament where she came out denying then defending her bitchy actions and some dude got stiffed for a prize of some sort through her collusion?

Can't remember exactly but this particular flavour of bitchery rings bell.

i) admo is obv standup

ii) johnny hughes is a tool with a worthless opinion

iii) eastern motors, really?

iv) negreanu pretty passionately hates annie duke

v) from what i have heard, ante up for africa is not a well run charity. i had planned on playing the event had i not been sick, and had decided to donate a maximum of 1k to their charity, and then 50%-100% of any winnings to a more deserving charity of my choice. a number of friends i spoke with had come to similar decisions

vi) i am sad i did not get to play in a televised event where i could have publicly discussed UB's continued failures and how they robbed the poker community of millions, as well as annie duke and phil hellmuth's continued association with such a piece of **** company

vii) pokerati did a poor job of publicizing that email, and this "hunter" guy/girl is a pretty big knobber, and it would not surprise me if it was half-written/authorized by annie herself.

viii) again, admo is awesome, and johnny hughes is a ball of fail

This quote has not gotten enough love, I am positive Admo has a vision but he is waiting to drop the big bomb. Admo's plans are a matter of record already in the interview discussed above and that was before he was harassed by AUFA staffers, there is no need for wild accusations when all anyone has to do is wait a bit to learn what Admo has in store for us all

Admo was out with us last night after his 2nd place finish for Mike Jonson's bachelor party, he shared with us partially what his plans were... and they were quite noble. This was all before the press-release and the resulting ****-storm came out, I suspect a lot of people will be apologizing to Admo pretty soon.

Hughes - you came across particularly bad ITT and also in the pokerati comments, you should think before you speak as a voice of athority in the future.

there was a bit of a scandal when it was found out that UK charity "poker 4 charity" were wasting a large % of the money donated to them.

also wasn't there a story about AP stealing some money that they collected for charity at a past WSOP?

I think they should be publishing exactly how much money goes where

I just watched the "Ante Up Red Carpet" video on Cardplayer and have no doubt in my mind that everyone of those guys would have given ALL (100%) the prize to the charity within minutes of victory (and mugged in self congratulation for the cameras - if Phil Hellmouth).

This is by no means a regular competitive tournament. This is a charity event organized for poker players to basically DONATE $5,000 to a great cause and have fun playing poker.

If ya aint gonna donate 50% of your prize to help the charity - jus don't play! Hey what a concept!

Admo has offered reasons (excuses?) why he hasn't made the donation. I feel the organizers started tightening the screws after they got the feeling Admo was going to welch on the "implied" donation of 50%.

If Admo is planning some awesome philanthropic scheme of his own - well this may be noble. However, he did enter the charity tournament that was organized by Ante-up for Africa and he should use the prize money (donations by others for Ante up) to help that specific cause.

ABout 1:40 in the video LOL

Tiffany Michelle "Darfur is really close to my heart."

From that video, this event really seems an attention whore "look how good I am" fest.

http://tv.pokernews.com/featured-vid...09/28365853001

i've heard from people who tried to get some type of audit statement from AUFA to figure out what % of the money was being used for "administration" and there has never been anything available to that end, which is very shady

it would be pretty epic if "hunter" was legitamately outted as being annie duke and she has to publicly apologize

Also came to repost what I also added in MTTc, I also played this tourney and after discussing plans with admo the day before I was also going to do the same thing in regards to planning on donating 100% of the profits if Annie Duke/UB does the requests that he is offering. Admo also made this clear from the start of the tourney and I'm sure also told his table mates of his plan with regards to giving the money to charity.

Also, the fact that this became public this quickly looks bad for every charity event in the future where people will prob elect to not play in an event if immediately if they don't give as much as people were expecting then get bashed a lot in public that's not the point of this event so why make it so negative. I hope ESPNs doesnt spin this and just shows it as an awareness for online poker more then a person trying to stiff a charity tourney which I am willing to bet any amount of $ that was not his intention at any point in the tourney.


Side note, admo prob won't be able to respond much in the next few days I think so don't take his silence as him hiddening he always has his priorities straight and I'm sure once everything is in the open the public perception will be far and away behind adam and his choices that are standing up for the players which we need more people doing.

She could of easily wrote it and had it issued in "hunters" name. I would demand to meet with hunter and don't forget to ask for ID.


I would not give one cent to this charity if I was admo. It would be perfectly reasonable to find another African charity and donate to them. The press release and the hawking for $$ after the tourney was totally uncalled for, especially after you tell them about the situation you're dealing with.

fyp

lol defend dutch boyd, and cornel fiji and slander admo.
you really win at life.

the best part is "we exchanged letters"....sweet score dude you found someone that was pathetic and ostracized enough to communicate with you.

keep on making those great life choices.

This has very exciting implications. Especially if ESPN picks up on the shadiness of UB.



Re: EV in SNGs. I meant to post that the EV per SNG doesn't change. Sorry for being unclear. Obv you have 100x the EV if you play 100x the SNGs. If I'm still wrong, can someone please PM an explanation to stop the derail?

Now this thread is getting cluttered with ppl getting leveled.

trying to hurt admo's rep seems like a huge mistake

Does anyone remember a charity competition involving Annie Duke where a poker blogger got stiffed because of Annie Duke's drunken coaching of another player. Then, when the guy who got stiffed complained about it, one of the promotion women who was working for the event started threatening him and bad-mouthing him, complaining that he was a nobody, etc. etc.

Wasn't her name hunter? Whether it was or it wasn't, it really sounds like it might be the same person.

Edit. It was Terrence 'Not Johnny' Chan, playing at a charity event at the Playboy Mansion. The tactless organizer's name was Joy Miller.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...0&fpart=1&vc=1