Hard to believe the site is stupid enough to not pay out creators with huge platforms. Are there bigger problems with solvency?

not a good look if true, i do feel ludwig isnt going to bullshit or lie about it . he doesnt need that money

hope ACR has a good reason as to why or if its a mix up. from what is being said tough to side with ACR here but well see what they say

My guess is the amount of money owed is not small and ACR wants to try and get this "EndGameTalent" company to pay up. It would be interesting to know specifically the timeline this all happened on. Not responding for a year is pretty wild.

Hopefully ACR will make them whole. ACR seems to have a history of making short sighted decisions when it comes to PR, but the one thing I'll say is they have always paid out any withdrawals quickly via BTC ... so it seems kind of strange Ludwig is saying he had troubles cashing out of the site itself.

Endgametalent said if they get sued they'll just liquidate and declare bankruptcy (according that botez chick)


seems like a shitty situation for everyone involved, even for ACR.

but im just reading cliff notes on twitter so who knows what's really going on behind the scenes...

acr is garbage but not for the video linked. ludwig says he couldn't get money off from his personal gambling (because its an illegal site) not because he was not paid. He may have added that later but not in the link

Anyway you have to be pretty stupid I think to play on that site

Over 10k used to be terrible. I think it required a different type of approval that wasn’t automated and not the same process. I imagine he’s dealing with a lot more money then most not sure what your withdrawal size/stakes are. This was also a long time ago haven’t dealt with them in years so maybe it got better. The issue with taking a long time for withdrawals is crypto is volatile and they’d lock in transaction rates so I never personally had an issue with it being rejected and costing me money because I get a worse rate next attempt but it seems incredibly easy that it could. There were many other glaringly terrible issues with the platform that made me stop if it was just this I’d probably still play on there.

Sad it has some of best things for Americans but it’s also garbage at same time. Wild with all the rake they make and the law they skirt can’t find a way to pay. It’s also sad that it is still one of the few viable options for Americans even with all the bullshit

Saw this coming a mile away. Lol!

They also do not pay bot refunds (as stated in their TOS) and pocket it instead. They are scammers.

Pretty much true, I did get paid some but it was miniscule compared to what was being taken by bots.

First of all please pardon me for my poor choice of words



From what I understood is the bonus that is given to the streamers have high required X of wager amount .


To make it more clear for example : XYZ casino pay their streamer $10.000 ( 30x wager requirement ) per stream . Streamer is allowed to use the whole amount for his game plays BUT he is only allowed to withdraw portion or whole 10K USD whenever he completes the 30x wager requirement that is $10,000.00 x 30 = $300,000 . ( in Theory you must either go All-in 30 times OR positive martingale your all-ins by ( first hand 10k second 20k third 40k fourth 80k fifth 160k ) or play 300k hands of $1 bets and manage to stay alive .

Even if you win 30 times all-in of $10.000 bankroll you could profit from $10k upto $300.000 by the time your 30x wager is finalized , That $300,000 will be removed from your account and you are only allowed to withdraw the original amount you were promised that is 10k USD.

With that said : Casinos turn streamers into their working bees most of the time . to make 10K USD possible to WD they earn from 10k up to 300k that you profited . now imagine how hard it is for most streamers to let go off that profit that they worked their butts off and easily goes back to casino

They put so much restrictions in-front of your path ways that most streamers Can't even reach 50% of the required wager amount 95 times out of 100 tries .

All this yip yapping and bitching about that they didnt get paid or couldnt wd this terms all been added in their contracts and their lawsuit cases will get dismissed automatically before even reach the court .

Next time before you sign up your lucrative contracts Find yourself professional Lawyers who are specialized in ONLINE GAMBLING ( unfortunately hard to find in US cause of restrictions but not impossible ) and them reach the agreements so you get screwed for less .

Namaste

These details actually make ACR look worse than the original narrative of stiffing influencers for $10k imo.

A great way promoting poker is leaving Botez unpaid, gg acr

To you. To me taking shills and treating them like shills is good not bad.

One of my buddies is opening an online poker room. So you have any gaming lawyers that you use?

100% Agreed LOL

Sure
Depends on which region is his business based and running the servers from ?
Did he issue any I-Gaming license yet ?
If interested inbox me a short intro about his business and I would Refer you to couple of I-Gaming lawyers specialized in online casino gaming That I know of .
Btw Congratulations and best of luck to your buddies new venture

If what SatanicNuttz is saying is correct about the way streamer contracts are structured, then its literally just the same as what most sites have as rules for withdrawal of deposit bonuses or wins from deposit bonuses.

First time you encounter those rules pretty much anyone will feel that they are being scammed. First time I got a sports bet deposit bonus and won and realized I wouldnt be able to withdraw any of it before wagering 20x the amount I definitely felt scammed out of my initial deposit. Its no surprise that these streamers are feeling the same way if they got into contracts without realizing how hard (basically close to impossible unless insanely lucky) it is to get the money off the site. Imagine if you got most of your "pay" in this form of money, you are basically getting paid almost nothing in reality.

Imo if they got duped into contracts where most of the actual pay was in the form of on site money with wager requirements then its a bad look for ACR even though the streamers probably have little legal recourse.

However, if this is just whining about not being allowed to instantly withdraw whatever winnings they got while streaming with the sites money, then I have 0 sympathy for the streamers.

Either way its stupid of ACR to not be upfront with their streamers about how this works, as they are now getting a lot of bad PR as a result.

I chuckle every time I see people talking about suing illegal black market non-US based poker sites.

This is so crazy. She did so much to promote the game in the right way. I play a decent amount of chess and watch a chess stream when I am playing online, including the Botez one. I caught a few of the streams she did around poker. She did loads of learning streams with people trying to teach GTO. She has a very large audience into strategic games so it is a great way to introduce a different generation/demographic into poker beyond being a seedy gambling game. These guys have absolutely wrecked the image of the game for people who follow these content creators.

Naggy/Ball are absolute scum and should be called out hard by the community. The articles/responses from them are like two of the worst humans on the planet throwing **** at each other.


https://www.pokernews.com/news/2024/09/scott-ball-phil-nagy-acr-influencer-payments-46916.htm

There is some discussion of it all on the Solve4Why pod timestamped at around 55 mins for anyone who cares.

I myself 100% Agree with you about how scammy most deposit bonuses feel like but put in the consideration that Casinos are establishments to take your money not to offer you any free money right ?

First thing comes to your mind when they offer you a juicy 200% boost on your first deposit bonus looks like free money but in reality those deposit boosts work reverse 99.9% of the times .


As much as I love to put the fault on casinos especially a Crooked site like ACR in this scenario they are 100% in the right because the streamer didn't read the contract fully or didn't negotiate the terms with them . ACR is an unborn baby when you compare them to online casino Moguls such as Stake.com with 3 billion dollar plus annual revenue / 40 million dollar daily revenue , Shuffle.com n ETC