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04-26-2017 , 10:44 AM
He wasn't an average joe bumhunter, he was the ENDBOSS bumhunter. There were lots of bumhunters and none of them came anywhere close to his winrate.
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04-26-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TimM846
missy had no affiliation with UB/AP that I can recall, he was just the ultimate endboss crusher of fish at HU cash. He had the sickest PTR (rip) of all time. I hope his case is resolved and he gets back the money he deserves.
Missy played a bit of 4 max too I think and always seemed like a nice person in the chat box. I too hope she gets her money back. I think the player was a genuine miss I seem to recall!
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04-26-2017 , 03:40 PM
Can confirm Missy was not a pro/affiliate, just a bumhunter. Talked to him quite a bit back in the day
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04-26-2017 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PeopleMover
this is hilarious. he/she was just another average joe bumhunter. Didn't play anyone good, which is excellent discipline, but doesn't make you an "endboss"
Pretty sure Missy had like the highest win rate on all of PTR at like 20 BB/100 over a big sample or something close to that.
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04-26-2017 , 10:38 PM
that KaintD?
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04-26-2017 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TimM846
He wasn't an average joe bumhunter, he was the ENDBOSS bumhunter. There were lots of bumhunters and none of them came anywhere close to his winrate.
Winrate doesnt really tell the whole story for bumhunting, could easily be bumhunters with decently lower winrates that made more money.
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04-27-2017 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by fkme2tears
Pretty sure if your on raketherake then its tagged as an affiliate account... Kind of scummy they won't pay back to players that got rake back. Maybe contact rake the rake to see if they can do anything to maybe remove your account so you can get your funds.
If you're suggesting that anyone who signed up there through RTR is being denied their money, that makes no sense and seems *extremely* unlikely. The lack of posts from people in this situation would seem to bear this out.
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04-27-2017 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BGnight
What was your professional/affiliation status?
I was not a professional and had nothing to do with affiliation of any sort......yet my balance is showing 0.....going to be a long process to dispute, I am getting sick all over again...

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Originally Posted by TimM846
missy had no affiliation with UB/AP that I can recall, he was just the ultimate endboss crusher of fish at HU cash. He had the sickest PTR (rip) of all time. I hope his case is resolved and he gets back the money he deserves.
thanks a lot Tim, means a lot.......hopefully this can gen resolved.......been sick over this for 6 years......hopefully they can clear this up...

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Originally Posted by fkme2tears
Pretty sure if your on raketherake then its tagged as an affiliate account... Kind of scummy they won't pay back to players that got rake back. Maybe contact rake the rake to see if they can do anything to maybe remove your account so you can get your funds.
99% sure raketherake has nothing to do with it......rake does not count.....and I had the same account set up on ftp as I did on ap.....and rakeback with raketherake on ftp and received my money in full with no problem...

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Originally Posted by TheRuffian
Missy played a bit of 4 max too I think and always seemed like a nice person in the chat box. I too hope she gets her money back. I think the player was a genuine miss I seem to recall!
thanks ruff......nice to see you again.....sure hope this gets resolved without a problem, but I have a feeling this could take a while, if they want all kinds of documentation, things that do not even make sense......hope all is well though

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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
Can confirm Missy was not a pro/affiliate, just a bumhunter. Talked to him quite a bit back in the day
long time no see break.......hope all is well on your end
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04-27-2017 , 05:06 AM
Were you KaintD on FTP? Can PM me if u you don't want to say publicly, I've always wanted to chat with that guy.
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04-27-2017 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by missy922
I was not a professional and had nothing to do with affiliation of any sort......yet my balance is showing 0.....going to be a long process to dispute, I am getting sick all over again...
Did you have more than one player account, e.g. one for AP and one for UB; etc.? They might have your balance through different account records. Give them a call.
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04-27-2017 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Did you have more than one player account, e.g. one for AP and one for UB; etc.? They might have your balance through different account records. Give them a call.
Worth doing. They found a couple of my 'old' accounts with small amounts in before they found my main account which they eventually located after a couple of emails and phone calls.
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04-27-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Duesseltaler
no but i dont get the picture yet.

will this process end up paying everyone 100%?

what is the going rate / or your estimate?

thanks
It looks like they'll have enough to pay out on a 1:1 basis, but they've not confirmed that yet.

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Originally Posted by fkme2tears
Full tilt didn't give me 100% back. Only around 2/3 of my real total.
But it wasn't because GCG didn't have enough money and paid back everyone $0.66 on the dollar. They had sufficient funding to repay 100% of verified claims.
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04-27-2017 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fkme2tears
Pretty sure if your on raketherake then its tagged as an affiliate account... Kind of scummy they won't pay back to players that got rake back. Maybe contact rake the rake to see if they can do anything to maybe remove your account so you can get your funds.
GCG is not subtracting rakeback from balances. They even clarify it in the FAQ.
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04-27-2017 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
Did you have more than one player account, e.g. one for AP and one for UB; etc.? They might have your balance through different account records. Give them a call.
no just played on AP
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04-28-2017 , 12:06 AM
Maybe you have 2 accounts on AP? Like I really old one and you never used it?

Personally I had a 3rd account with 75$ that I didnt even remember...
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04-28-2017 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanchris
Maybe you have 2 accounts on AP? Like I really old one and you never used it?

Personally I had a 3rd account with 75$ that I didnt even remember...
100% just one account......just pray something can be done.....I got mentally and physically sick over all of this and just hope something can be done, but enough about me I do not want to derail......will let you guys know if anything comes up.....thanks guys
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04-28-2017 , 01:49 PM
My email/username/last name combination wasn't working for any email that I had ever used. I called and emailed them. Calling is a total waste of time for almost any reason - they're reading from a script, can only answer questions that are already answered in the FAQ, and talk in code sometimes when you ask about UltimateBet. Emailing them was a lot more helpful over time (had to go back and forth about 10x before we figured out what was wrong). For some reason, they didn't have my username in the system to look up on the main page. They asked for the address on AP. I forgot it was a friend's Canadian address I had changed post BF. I was finally able to fill out form and account balance was correct.

TLDR: Email them, don't call.
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04-28-2017 , 08:28 PM
so they're saying that my balance is $0, and i doubt i can dig up anything to prove otherwise

do i have a play left, or am i just SOL?
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04-29-2017 , 07:59 AM
any news about when they actually payout?
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04-29-2017 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
any news about when they actually payout?
Original FTP deadline - Nov 15, 2013
Undisputed balance paid - Feb 28, 2014

Initial AP/UB deadline - Jun 9, 2017
Possible $ day - Sep 23, 2017

There has been speculation that it could be as early as first week of July, but dunno where people are getting that info. Payments will happen faster than FTP if anything, so my guess is Sep 23 at the latest. To answer your actual question, I don't know of any news. Later than Jun 9, earlier than Sep 23.
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04-29-2017 , 05:25 PM
Regarding "#1. I deposited funds into an account with absolute poker"

I thought it was ok to have freerolled the money and run it up?

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To qualify for participation in the Absolute Poker Claims Administration, you must satisfy all of the eligibility criteria listed below. Once you input your electronic signature and click on the “Submit” button below, you will receive an email confirming your submission. Your Petition will not be deemed submitted unless you receive such electronic confirmation.
Please note that third-party representatives must provide appropriate proof of authorization to complete a form on a Petitioner’s behalf.
1. I deposited funds into an account with Absolute Poker;
2. My account with Absolute Poker reflects a balance owed by Absolute Poker to me of greater than $0.00; and
3. I am not:
a. A past or present employee of Absolute Poker or any of its past or present affiliates;
b. A past or present shareholder of Absolute Poker, Ultimate Bet, Absolute Entertainment, S.A., Blanca Games, Inc., Hoop & Javelin Holdings Limited, Lacrosse Holdings Limited, Hoop Payment Solution Services Ltd., or Morning Bliss Overseas Ltd.;
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d. A defendant in any civil action or a claimant in any forfeiture action brought by the Department of Justice related to the violations alleged in this action, or any related action (or any of his or her Affiliates, assigns, heirs, distributees, spouses, parents, children, or controlled entities); or
e. A person who, as of the Bar Date, has been the subject of criminal charges related to the violations alleged in this action, or any related action (or any of his or her Affiliates, assigns, heirs, distributees, spouses, parents, children, or controlled entities).
f. A person who was flagged by Absolute Poker as having engaged in improper conduct.
I certify that I have not recovered any portion of my monetary loss from any other sources, or, if recovered, such recovery has been accounted for in the calculation of my loss, or provided by me if it was not.
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04-29-2017 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
any news about when they actually payout?
I believe its the same way that full tilt was set up with same group of people. So payment will probably be made in the same time frame.
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04-29-2017 , 10:04 PM
got all my money out. still got an email. filled out the form....36 cents, ship it.
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04-30-2017 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bigruk
Original FTP deadline - Nov 15, 2013
Undisputed balance paid - Feb 28, 2014

Initial AP/UB deadline - Jun 9, 2017
Possible $ day - Sep 23, 2017

There has been speculation that it could be as early as first week of July, but dunno where people are getting that info. Payments will happen faster than FTP if anything, so my guess is Sep 23 at the latest. To answer your actual question, I don't know of any news. Later than Jun 9, earlier than Sep 23.
Was just thinking things would move quicker this time around as time frame was specified as "soon" on the claims site but was not specified this way with full tilt.

Sept 23 seems like a reasonable estimate as well. My payment theory is based on the fact that the "2nd" time you are reimbursing poker fraud victims using the exact same parent company might go smoother and quicker.
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05-02-2017 , 11:32 AM
In elevengrovers documentary on the UB scandal he mentioned that the reason this remission process was not started previously was that the DOJ did not recognize the fraud behind it. Does this remission process indicate some movement on that. Is it possible there will be further legal repercussions to the actors behind the scandal?
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