Reztez757 you probably got a lot of my money. I remember playing you heads up limit Holdem on multiple sites. After Black Friday I jumped into 200-400 heads up limit games because I felt my balance became play money....very stupid of me looking back.

Yea I remember your name. Why didnt you just go on a site with actual play money then and preserve your balance in case we got paid, it's not like when it first happened it was a lock we weren't getting our money.

You can protest your balance. I would do a hand written letter and explain your case in as much detail as possible and make it a real sob story, you never know.

Well, they're dumb then. Just thought of this, can you put XXXXXXXXX in the SSN slot? I dunno, just a thought. I got by because I had an ITIN # from past reclaims. Good luck.

I had the same question and because I have $10k locked up I'd rather make the prudent move and ask them to double check even if I'm 95% sure changing the form is sufficient. Doesn't make me an idiot, just makes me cautious about my 50 bucks I have tied up.

P.S. If you're going to call anyone an idiot, please learn the difference between "your" and "you're." I don't normally point out grammatical issues but when the pot is calling the kettle black, c'mon gramps.

That was me. What I meant was that if you are delinquent on loans, tax payments, etc., they will garnish the remission. If you are current on your payments, they won't. I assume that you have some sort of arrangement for your outstanding tax debt, which you are paying on. Correct?

More specifically, here is what it says in the FAQ on the site for Full Tilt Poker claims (I assume the same applies for AP/UB remission claims):

You can read more about the Treasury Offset Program here:
https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsse...p/debt_top.htm

Looks like they're basing the balances on the date it shut down (vs. Black Friday). They did make some (very) small payments to ROW players post-BF while they kept operating for a few months.

(Somebody feel free to contradict the above)

Rich, or anyone else who can help:

I had 7.8k on AP when this thing went down nearly 6 years ago. I didn't tilt it off but kept it on there because I hoped that this day would come...and now it has.

The only thing is that when I opened my email and entered my numbers, it said that my account has 1 penny on it. The other thing is that I don't have any screenshots or anything to prove that I had 7.8k on there. I tried to call the number and I did talk to them but it was of little help. They basically said what was already on the website.

Is there anyone I can contact? Should I ask to speak to someone at AP? (I know they are shut down now but perhaps I could legally demand hand history on my account)

Do I have any leverage in this since legally AP is the one who was caught in this fraud? I can't just back down when I know that I last logged off of my account with 7.8k on it.

What are your thoughts? Please help in any way you can.

Thank you!

Ahh,, I see. You are correct. When I had a tax debt I was in constant communication with the IRS or at least once every 3 months. And my student loans have never been delinquent.

Funny thing was you could play on Absolute/Cereus/UB for a month or two after BF.

Donkey Kong Kill Screen....

reztez I was young and stupid. The thought of having my money stolen from me was too much for me to handle. I had people telling me that ultimate bet was never to be trusted and they were just going under. I had money stolen from me many times and I just couldn't stomach it. Now I feel very sick about it

bwahahaha oh well, I was like "oh hot damn, i wonder if I had any money left over on AP."

Account Balance: $0.04

I know Rez as an online player but not irl. He won the money off you fair and square.

Your balance is gone.

by how much did the PPA increase the chances of this ever happening?

asking mostly to know how much I should donate if this money goes through

i was not being serious about reztez winning all of my money. I did however play him quite a bit throughout my career. I was always a massive winner at heads up no limit but when I could't get action I would play heads up limit and lost a lot over my career. I was making a joke as to reztez taking my balance lol. There are so many people who dumped their balances to euros thinking that they would get paid post black Friday, not sure if any of this will matter. I remember holding onto my balance for quite a period of time before actually sitting super high stakes and throwing it away.....I believe their were statements that came out that led me to do this, but I can't remember specifically. They never made any statements as to why they allowed play post black friday......one thing I can say with all honesty is that I tried my absolute hardest and worked very hard for my balance playing heads up no limit up until the date of april 15th.

if he gets 50k back heal be lucky....surley loads of people will grime him after so long?

WOW! Didn't saw this coming.
ROW player here, got 2 emails(AP/UB) both ended in spam folder. lets hope for a high ROI
ty,PPA and DOJ

any speculation on how long it may take for payments to be made ?

Gl but it would be aburd if they gave you money back that you lost

I'm not sure how I stand here morally/ethically. The money he, or anyone, used to play high stakes after BF, was essentially worthless after BF. There was literally nobody that could foresee remission taking place after 6 years.

So if the gouvernement draws the line on the specific BF date as to what they are going to pay out, it would actually make a lot of sense for him to get his 'money back', as it was only actual 'money' before BF.

Now you could of course argue that the money was worthless way before BF as AP/UB were a scam anyway. But the gouvernement HAS to pick a specific date to determine what people were 'owed'. If they set that date on the literal BF date..he's owed that money. Because the money became worthless on that specific date. And the guy that won his worthless balance post BF shouldn't get a penny of that money, as it wasn't 'money'. It were worthless numbers on a screen.

#wasstartingasdevilsadvocatebutthemoreitypethemore ibelieveitmyself

I'd say we increased it from maybe 2% to 100%.

While I'd like it say we're just that awesome, it's really that being organized and making the proper requests far outweighs the likelihood that DoJ would have decided to do this on their own (or even would have had it occur to them to do it). Even with some UB/AP victims calling DoJ periodically, which was certainly helpful, being there and being able to cite how UB v PokerStars et al is one case (so all seized money should be applicable to all sites in the suit) was key. Reminding them that they had plenty of money left over didn't hurt either.

The first thing to do is to verify that you checked for your AP account, rather than an old UB one. A few folks have done that. If the account checks out, give GCG a call and have them check up on it.

The fact that the DoJ has account balances, SSNs, screen names, etc. indicates that Cereus turned over quite a bit of info. TBH I don't know if there's even an AP entity to provide a hand history for you at this point, so the info GCG has may be the best place to start.

I wish you good luck with it. I'd certainly not just let it go either.

IIRC the FTP remission site stated 4/15/11 as the final date, but it seemed they were simply referencing the DoJ action data and went by final balances.

This time, I don't believe they state a date (I didn't see one on the site, but I may have missed it). I suspect they may be going by final balances, especially as they apparently received data on balances from AP and UB. Still, in your case I'd file for the 4/15/11 balance and include all the documentation I had. Nothing to lose, right? Just be very clear that you're using your 4/15/11 balance as your claim amount. I'd include a letter with an explanation too.

It wasn't a 100% that UB/AP were even going to shut down after black friday. No reason to consider it play money.

After reading a lot of the statements reguarding ub/ap and a timeline of events it appears I may have an argument on recovering my balance as of actual Black Friday April 15th. I read that ub and ap actually claimed they were filing for bankruptcy while they were still allowing people to play. Not sure where any of this fits in with the doj but I would like people's opinions on whether I should speak to a lawyer and possibly pursue this? Once again I'm writing this as I feel I should be paid my balance as of April 15th and not the following days/weeks

so where do you thnk that money is going to come from?