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04-13-2017 , 03:50 PM
They used to take some regs and make them pros during some of the promo events too.
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04-13-2017 , 04:11 PM
EU player here and for me the amount of money is not correct. Not sure if they mix up my UB account in which I have almost no money with my AP account in which I have a lot. I just received one email with petition / control numbers and I don't know if I must get second for my other account?
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04-13-2017 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
On phone, and this is what is stated after I filled in my petition / claim number. So I called and this is what I was told.
Are you saying the account balance shows $0 when you logged into the online filing form?
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04-13-2017 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaySixNSeven
EU player here and for me the amount of money is not correct. Not sure if they mix up my UB account in which I have almost no money with my AP account in which I have a lot. I just received one email with petition / control numbers and I don't know if I must get second for my other account?
Yes, you will get a second if you had two accounts. They're sending separate emails with unique Petition/Control numbers for AB and UB accounts. Check your spam—mine arrived a day apart.

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As for updating contact info, after getting a voicemail I spoke with a guy on the phone who said it was perfectly fine to update the pre-populated editable old contact information to reflect your current contact info.

I asked him about ACH and he said some people are emailing in their bank details. He also said he understands that many people don't want to do that and said we would be contacted about it. I'll be keeping an eye out in this thread to see what happens on that front.
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04-13-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by boddicker
Yes, you will get a second if you had two accounts. They're sending separate emails with unique Petition/Control numbers for AB and UB accounts. Check your spam—mine arrived a day apart.
Yea, your right! Thanks.
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04-13-2017 , 05:08 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is having the same issue as me.

I had an AP account and a UB account both with the same address. I only got a petition # for the AP account which I hadn't used in forever and I never got one for my UB account which is where I had a significant amount of money.

I called GCG twice now and they keep telling me they have NOTHING to do with Ultimate Bet. I tried to find the account by emailing them from my other email but they replied with the same petition and control #.

Any suggestions?
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04-13-2017 , 05:16 PM
Wow, I checked my spam folder and i had some money in my account. I forgot that I even had an account on the site
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04-13-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ClaytonBiggzby
I'm curious if anyone else is having the same issue as me.

I had an AP account and a UB account both with the same address. I only got a petition # for the AP account which I hadn't used in forever and I never got one for my UB account which is where I had a significant amount of money.

I called GCG twice now and they keep telling me they have NOTHING to do with Ultimate Bet. I tried to find the account by emailing them from my other email but they replied with the same petition and control #.

Any suggestions?
By the time the network was brought down it was all one network CEREUS with one database of players. You could login with a skin (AP or UB) but GCG doesn't seem to differentiate and just calls it all AP. Which makes sense given the AP ownership bought UB.

I suggest sending an email naming your screenname, email on file, name and let them look it up and send you a petition # No need to teach them how things were, just work within their knowledge base.
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04-13-2017 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
My advices:

Change the online form to show your current address. (And change any of the other editable fields if needed.) Use whatever address you would want a check mailed to in case the ACH bank transfer doesn't work. Email them if you need to change the info in a non-editable field.
This is what I'd recommend. GCG will always have the original information to check against, so it's not like a new address will trip up the system. And, it's best in case, as you note, they wind up mailing the check.

I'm not sure what to make of the advice to file with the original mailing address and to email a correction. That being said, anyone filing with the old mailing address should definitely ensure GCG gets the new one, one way or another.

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Remissions will start probably in 6-8 months after the deadline (could be sooner though, as this is a smaller pool of claimants than FTP). The first wave of remissions will be those that don't dispute the amount of their claim.
It may be quicker this time both because of the smaller pool of applicants and the fact they understand better how online poker works this time around from the FTP experience.

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If you dispute, the time to receive your remission could be extended by as much as a couple of years.
This could be quicker, but I'd still plan on it being lengthy. They are all one-off investigations.
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04-13-2017 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rakeme
In the FAQ on the website it says that you can contest their claim that you were a professional when you fill out the petition. You can upload documents, bank statements, etc. And also they will accept a written explanation.

It might be worth a shot trying to explain to them that you played poker for a hobby but also won money at it, and that you in no way ever cheated another player or took payments from UB/AP as a "professional player". My guess is they just want to be sure that the large balances weren't tied to any illegal activity (house players).
Yes, ty. This is what I was told on the phone and I submitted a petition. I guess we'll see.
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04-13-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ClaytonBiggzby
I'm curious if anyone else is having the same issue as me.

I had an AP account and a UB account both with the same address. I only got a petition # for the AP account which I hadn't used in forever and I never got one for my UB account which is where I had a significant amount of money.

I called GCG twice now and they keep telling me they have NOTHING to do with Ultimate Bet. I tried to find the account by emailing them from my other email but they replied with the same petition and control #.

Any suggestions?
They just started the process, so there will be some growing pains. If you call back, the next person will probably know UB is included. If not, mention the FAQ:

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15.Does this administration also include UltimateBet.com (UB.com) players?

Yes. The funds from UltimateBet.com are included in this process.
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04-13-2017 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by yankees1927
Just wanna say its been a brutal 6 yrs for a lot of us and I wanna thank Rich Muny for all he has done in this matter, and a lot of matters involving Poker in general. Having 5 figures stuck myself for all that time I def owe a debt of gratitude to Rich for his hard work! Thanks buddy and I just hope the process goes smooth for everyone affected!!
Awesome you're finally getting your funds back!

Thanks for the kind words. I had a hand in it, but John Pappas and Patrick Fleming were more directly involved. I guess I had something to do with presenting the idea of that DoJ should apply Full Tilt Poker money to AP and UB as it was a single case (U.S. v PokerStars et al.), but even that was after some discussions with David Gzesh on the idea.

I am pretty excited to see this happening. I heard from a lot of people who lost a lot and had thought it was gone for good.
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04-13-2017 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Praetor
What does professional mean in that context? Sponsored by UB/AP?
There are two definitions in the FAQ. One is, "A Professional Player is any player who earns a majority of their income from playing poker, or is known in the industry as a Professional, as approved by the Department of Justice." The other definition is that of a sponsored pro.

The FAQ gives details on how to dispute this. For those who never received compensation for playing (other than rakeback), I'd call and let them know. If that doesn't solve it, send in a letter stating non-sponsored status and any relevant documentation as described in the FAQ (it's hard to prove a negative, which I believe they understand from their FTP experience).

To satisfy the first definition, perhaps provide some evidence of other income, a status of being retired, etc. I suspect they are looking more at sponsored pros than they are about those who derive a living from poker, but I don't really want to speculate at this point.

As we learn more, we'll post info. I assume they'll update the FAQ regularly as well.
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04-13-2017 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
The SSN/TIN isn't for identity or tax reporting purposes. They need it to check to see if you owe the US Government any money (student loans, back taxes, etc.), which they will garnish from your remission.
By this, I mean they will garnish your remission if you are past due what you owe the government. If you have a loan on which your payments are current, they won't take money from the remission to pay it off.
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04-13-2017 , 07:28 PM
wug guesses on the date players start getting paid back?

my guess is going to be November 20th, 2017
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04-13-2017 , 08:07 PM
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wug guesses on the date players start getting paid back?

my guess is going to be November 20th, 2017
i willing to bet it's gonna be earlier
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04-13-2017 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by boddicker
I bet I'm the other half getting more than you by a good bit. 10k HU yo? ;-)

The address situation _is_ unclear. They tell you when you enter in your Petition/Control #s on the very first page to email them if you're updating anything. So, I did that. But in the FAQ it tells you to call or email. So I called, too. Then, when you call and ask if you should update before proceeding, they literally don't ****ing know.

If you have a lot of time on your hands, read some of the posts of people who called in. Notice how everybody was told something different. My girl's response was essentially: "I don't know."

We have until June to confirm funds. I'll let y'all be guinea pigs. The people being careful are the people with a lot to lose. Commonsense says you should be able to update your address. But government bureaucrats and lawyers don't always leave a lot of wiggle room for commonsense, do they?
Well if you think it's a good idea to leave the wrong address in there, you might as well change it to the north ****ing pole.

In the end I 100% guarantee your suppose to change it, and what you call "being careful" is really just being an idiot.
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04-13-2017 , 09:05 PM
Is it supposed to be your balance on 4/15/2011? Or whenever the site eventually went down?
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04-13-2017 , 09:36 PM
I have this same question. I had 39,700 dollars on actual black Friday. I was a pretty well known as username favaloro. I worked very hard to reach that balance as a regular heads up player on the site. The problem was after black friday ultimate bet still allowed you to login and play, at this point I began playing high stakes and basically lost the entire balance because I didn't want to have the money stolen from me. Is there any merit to arguing my balance on actual black friday which was april 15th?
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04-13-2017 , 09:44 PM
^^ Not sure if you're american, but afaik the only reason I was allowed to play still after Black Friday was because my location was "Moscow" in the client.
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04-13-2017 , 09:51 PM
Very good news for you gus. Congratz!! I hope all will be refunded.
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04-13-2017 , 10:25 PM
I live and played in Boston ma.
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04-13-2017 , 11:00 PM
I got all excited when i received this email, entered my details and saw my big balance of $10.

They can keep it!
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04-13-2017 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by favaloro
I have this same question. I had 39,700 dollars on actual black Friday. I was a pretty well known as username favaloro. I worked very hard to reach that balance as a regular heads up player on the site. The problem was after black friday ultimate bet still allowed you to login and play, at this point I began playing high stakes and basically lost the entire balance because I didn't want to have the money stolen from me. Is there any merit to arguing my balance on actual black friday which was april 15th?
Typical gambler mentality, what if you ran it up to 100k ? would you be happy with your 39700?
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04-13-2017 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
My thoughts are people need to get the points and seats out of their damn heads.
rip 1,881,213 player points (18.8k tourny bux) as of 4/1/2011

obv happy for my bros getting paid tho. glglgl!
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