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Old 10-28-2016, 01:00 PM   #1376
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

I think I'd be contemplating suicide if I was at a table with kassouf for more than 30 minutes, the tanking would be unbearable
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Old 10-28-2016, 01:18 PM   #1377
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Of course he taunted and berated people. most in this thread are his idiot mates with less than 100 posts who have never played a live mtt let alone a $10k me and sry their opinion means little. Just because you have an opinion and the right to state it doesn't mean that I have to listen to it. I'll listen to it when you've played more $10k mtts than me. I'll listen to it when you stop being apologists and defenders of an antisocial **** who's ONLY strategy is to tilt people by taunting them throughout a hand - a strategy that is clearly 100% against the rules and should have seen him DQ'd


Using your logic, you can't have an opinion on rules violations until you have sufficient tournament director experience. And, only 10k MTT'rs no what berating is? You are an idiot. See that there? That's berating. Your a fool



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Old 10-28-2016, 01:36 PM   #1378
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

Oldsilver

Just to clarify, is it a requirement to have 100% of yourself in the 10k event to qualify?
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Old 10-28-2016, 01:36 PM   #1379
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

who's ONLY strategy is to tilt people by taunting them throughout a hand - a strategy that is clearly 100% against the rules and should have seen him DQ'd

Except he didn't taunt anyone rofl ................ idiot
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Old 10-28-2016, 01:43 PM   #1380
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I think I'd be contemplating suicide if I was at a table with kassouf for more than 30 minutes, the tanking would be unbearable
Can't you just call clock against him every hand?
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Old 10-28-2016, 01:45 PM   #1381
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Can't you just call clock against him every hand?
that sounds like a fun time
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Old 10-28-2016, 01:46 PM   #1382
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oldsilver, just tell us which one of the clowns who got busted by Kassouf on national television you are. The cat is clearly out of the bag. Thanks.
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Old 10-28-2016, 01:47 PM   #1383
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I don't know if there is a rule against it I don't play many tournaments but why not? If he is really tanking so much why not call the clock on him after say.. 2 minutes each time?
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Old 10-28-2016, 01:52 PM   #1384
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People like kassouf is why the rules need to be left to interpretation and some decision be in the tournament directors hands. What kassouf is and stands for is just a joke. Hes bad for the game not good for the game, he talks about people having fun at the poker table and to enjoy themselves....But when he is at the table he is the only one having fun and everyone else is miserable....and he knows it. For him to make everyone miserable and not give a crap shows to what a "class act" he is.

Speech play, lul
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Old 10-28-2016, 02:10 PM   #1385
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By now I think just about every possible comment on Kassouf, Benger, Vayo, Josephy, et al., has been posted (numerous times on several points). But here maybe a new one. Of course, it is fairly obvious -- but that never stopped me before.

Kassouf's tanking and speech play are, generally speaking, separate issues that warrant different responses from players and tournament staff. It would not surprise me if WSOP rules were modified for next year to clarify/restrict what is allowed on the speech play front.

I believe that one of the negative aspects of Kassouf's speech play is the time wasting. But it does not feel like tanking since he is constantly talking!

The point is that it is "obvious" that the clock can/should be called when a player is sitting there silently for a long time. But if a player is blathering on for a long time, calling the clock does not seem such an obvious thing to do.
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Old 10-28-2016, 02:44 PM   #1386
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By now I think just about every possible comment on Kassouf, Benger, Vayo, Josephy, et al., has been posted (numerous times on several points). But here maybe a new one. Of course, it is fairly obvious -- but that never stopped me before.

Kassouf's tanking and speech play are, generally speaking, separate issues that warrant different responses from players and tournament staff. It would not surprise me if WSOP rules were modified for next year to clarify/restrict what is allowed on the speech play front.

I believe that one of the negative aspects of Kassouf's speech play is the time wasting. But it does not feel like tanking since he is constantly talking!

The point is that it is "obvious" that the clock can/should be called when a player is sitting there silently for a long time. But if a player is blathering on for a long time, calling the clock does not seem such an obvious thing to do.
The aforementioned players are all idiots, but the last three make my skin crawl by ganging up on Kassouf. Then you have Johnny Bax's obvious collusion ("We're all in this together). And then the nitwit who decides to grab the dealer by the shoulders (never ever seen that before). And then the jerk off who refused to shake Kassouf's hand. They are all morons but Kassouf is my moron.
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Old 10-28-2016, 02:50 PM   #1387
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.....And then the nitwit who decides to grab the dealer by the shoulders (never ever seen that before).
You mean the virgin in the dinosaur t-shirt. I'm pretty sure when he was rubbing the dealers shoulders it was the most action he'd gotten all year, perhaps in his whole life......
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Old 10-28-2016, 03:09 PM   #1388
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By now I think just about every possible comment on Kassouf, Benger, Vayo, Josephy, et al., has been posted (numerous times on several points). But here maybe a new one. Of course, it is fairly obvious -- but that never stopped me before.

Kassouf's tanking and speech play are, generally speaking, separate issues that warrant different responses from players and tournament staff. It would not surprise me if WSOP rules were modified for next year to clarify/restrict what is allowed on the speech play front.

I believe that one of the negative aspects of Kassouf's speech play is the time wasting. But it does not feel like tanking since he is constantly talking!

The point is that it is "obvious" that the clock can/should be called when a player is sitting there silently for a long time. But if a player is blathering on for a long time, calling the clock does not seem such an obvious thing to do.
Hence my previous comments ITT that another way of describing his 'speech play' strategy would simply be 'tanking with words'
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Old 10-28-2016, 03:13 PM   #1389
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It would not surprise me if WSOP rules were modified for next year to clarify/restrict what is allowed on the speech play front.
There's a simple answer to this whole thing:
WSOP new rules should allow for a 'silent clock'.

Once a 'silent clock' is called, all* players at the table must be silent for the duration of the clock (or face a 1 round penalty, for example).
(* Only the player who has the action on them can speak, no one else.)
The tournament staff can use their discretion as to how strictly they enforce this, as needed.
A partially silent clock could also be an option.


So when faced with an opponent who tries to 'bend' the rules with excessive chatter and incessant badgering:

We can insta-call the clock on ourselves.
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Old 10-28-2016, 04:04 PM   #1390
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There's a simple answer to this whole thing:
WSOP new rules should allow for a 'silent clock'.

Once a 'silent clock' is called, all* players at the table must be silent for the duration of the clock (or face a 1 round penalty, for example).
(* Only the player who has the action on them can speak, no one else.)
The tournament staff can use their discretion as to how strictly they enforce this, as needed.
A partially silent clock could also be an option.


So when faced with an opponent who tries to 'bend' the rules with excessive chatter and incessant badgering:

We can insta-call the clock on ourselves.
I'll be damned ..... a good idea posted in NVG.

The concept is sound, some of the details need to be refined. However, it would be effective.

It would not require legislative action as would have the messy idea of giving every player a single shot pistol, (to settle such matters as they would have been handled at a poker table in the Wild West.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78J-6PbhVo

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Old 10-28-2016, 04:06 PM   #1391
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Old 10-28-2016, 04:15 PM   #1392
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Maybe instead of bitching here you guys could ***** to TD's about implementing a shot clock? It seems like moving the time to call the clock to 1 minute and not giving anyone more than 2 minutes would solve much of your complaints. If people can make decisions playing 16 tables in less than 30 seconds I see no reason why it takes so long playing 1 table against a bunch of bad players.
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I don't know if there is a rule against it I don't play many tournaments but why not? If he is really tanking so much why not call the clock on him after say.. 2 minutes each time?
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that's the problem - there is no such mechanism. If you start calling the clock on him every hand, ******* like this will take full 60 secs on every decision, which will make the table even slower. The biggest issue everyone took with him was the fact that he took 10-20 seconds with action on him BEFORE LOOKING AT HIS CARDS. That's just attention seeking at psychologically treatable level.
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Old 10-28-2016, 04:45 PM   #1393
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Yes, to everyone who thinks the shot clock solves tanking, see above. If a player is tanking every decision it actually makes it far worse.

No, I wasn't busted by kassouf or anyone else at this years ME

Yes, the dealer rub was probably the most action dinovirgin has had. Had he not busted, security may have provided the second most action.

Anyone can have an opinion either way on any part of this topic. But if your POV is based on entertainment rather than from player perspective then it's not valid. My privilege is that I've played many of these 10k events and yes, I checked.

Silent clock would have to be enforceable at dealer level, with breaches backed up by TD staff. A simpler but similar option would be to apply the rules that already exist. While I have zero love for kassouf, the real villain here the TD.
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Old 10-28-2016, 04:59 PM   #1394
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oh pardon the rest of us PLEBS who haven't played the ME.

LOL

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Old 10-28-2016, 05:09 PM   #1395
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i must've missed the disclaimer saying that all posts in this thread will not be taken seriously if you don't have ME experience, or more than 100 posts.
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Old 10-28-2016, 05:11 PM   #1396
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i must've missed the disclaimer saying that all posts in this thread will not be taken seriously if you don't have ME experience, or more than 100 posts.
Its called convenient logic, always makes me lol
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Old 10-28-2016, 05:19 PM   #1397
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keating was the most out of line this wsop. he asked a fish "how are u still in", did the same talking speech. but, he was an alpha male and kassouf is further down on the spectrum. omega maybe.

also, white privilege isnt a thing. asians make more money than whites in white society. its a term used by people who are failures to feel better about themselves.

also, flushentity is a known cheater.

also, **** david baazov.
lol zeta alert
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Old 10-28-2016, 05:29 PM   #1398
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Hallaert was on the 2p2 pokercast recently. He said that if Kassouf's behavior occurred in a tourney that he, Kenny, was running, he'd police the table himself and call a progressively shorter and shorter clock on any serial tanker. One minute, then thirty seconds, then fifteen seconds -- and start doing it immediately, rather than waiting a minute or two to start the clock. That's actually the right way to deal with overtankers.

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Old 10-28-2016, 05:42 PM   #1399
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Yes, to everyone who thinks the shot clock solves tanking, see above. If a player is tanking every decision it actually makes it far worse.

No, I wasn't busted by kassouf or anyone else at this years ME

Yes, the dealer rub was probably the most action dinovirgin has had. Had he not busted, security may have provided the second most action.

Anyone can have an opinion either way on any part of this topic. But if your POV is based on entertainment rather than from player perspective then it's not valid. My privilege is that I've played many of these 10k events and yes, I checked.

Silent clock would have to be enforceable at dealer level, with breaches backed up by TD staff. A simpler but similar option would be to apply the rules that already exist. While I have zero love for kassouf, the real villain here the TD.
No doubt the TD had an ESPN producer in his ear. The WSOP ME is a unique beast. Why do you think they have their own rules? If they were strictly going by TDA, they wouldn't get away with what they do. They can use their own interpretation.

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Old 10-28-2016, 05:52 PM   #1400
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Hallaert was on the 2p2 pokercast recently. He said that if Kassouf's behavior occurred in a tourney that he, Kenny, was running, he'd police the table himself and call a progressively shorter and shorter clock on any serial tanker. One minute, then thirty seconds, then fifteen seconds -- and start doing it immediately, rather than waiting a minute or two to start the clock. That's actually the right way to deal with overtankers.
Stern received much flak for his tanking on last year's ft as did neuvelle. Suspect this is something that wsop will address in near future.
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