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Old 10-27-2016, 06:55 PM   #1301
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

What utter garbage to suggest that the other players were out of line when they'd been delayed taunted and berated by this dick for hours on end while playing for the highest possible stakes in their deepest probably never to be repeated run in the main event. You expect these guys to be saints? To calmly accept whatever this douche hands out? To remain calm despite their protests to Jack Effel being ignored? As Josephy said 'it's all about you William'. There were 26 other people on day 7 that had more of a right to be there than kassouf.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:57 PM   #1302
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

TheFly you're right and thanks for pointing that out. However they read almost identically and cover the same points. Rule #1 covering floor decisions is also there.

Rules 113 and 116 are basically word for word rules 61 and 65. Its interesting that many of the same points are duplicated in #47 and #48.

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Old 10-27-2016, 07:01 PM   #1303
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:08 PM   #1304
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What utter garbage to suggest that the other players were out of line when they'd been delayed taunted and berated by this dick for hours on end while playing for the highest possible stakes in their deepest probably never to be repeated run in the main event. You expect these guys to be saints? To calmly accept whatever this douche hands out? To remain calm despite their protests to Jack Effel being ignored? As Josephy said 'it's all about you William'. There were 26 other people on day 7 that had more of a right to be there than kassouf.

ummm.....no

those 26 other people shelled out the same 10k that WK did. so they don't have anymore right to be there than he does.

i'd say "check your privilege" but it really doesn't work well in this particular situation....
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:10 PM   #1305
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Taunted and berated? Most in this thread do not think that Kassouf taunted anyone. And certainly, he never berated anyone. Was he slow and talked a lot? Yup.


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Old 10-27-2016, 07:21 PM   #1306
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ummm.....no

those 26 other people shelled out the same 10k that WK did. so they don't have anymore right to be there than he does.

i'd say "check your privilege" but it really doesn't work well in this particular situation....
No I chose my words fairly carefully. Kassouf should have been DQ'd for multiple rules breaches long before day 7 and did not deserve to be there.
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:26 PM   #1307
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I suspect that the affected players have potential legal recourse against WSOP.
Just sitting here imagining how this would go down...

If that ever happened hopefully it'd be televised so we can all reach cringical mass together and continue on with our lives
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:28 PM   #1308
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Taunted and berated? Most in this thread do not think that Kassouf taunted anyone. And certainly, he never berated anyone. Was he slow and talked a lot? Yup.


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Of course he taunted and berated people. most in this thread are his idiot mates with less than 100 posts who have never played a live mtt let alone a $10k me and sry their opinion means little. Just because you have an opinion and the right to state it doesn't mean that I have to listen to it. I'll listen to it when you've played more $10k mtts than me. I'll listen to it when you stop being apologists and defenders of an antisocial **** who's ONLY strategy is to tilt people by taunting them throughout a hand - a strategy that is clearly 100% against the rules and should have seen him DQ'd
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:30 PM   #1309
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Everything I've seen on Benger makes me think he's a massive, I mean massive douchenozzle.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:00 PM   #1310
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Of course he taunted and berated people. most in this thread are his idiot mates with less than 100 posts who have never played a live mtt let alone a $10k me and sry their opinion means little. Just because you have an opinion and the right to state it doesn't mean that I have to listen to it. I'll listen to it when you've played more $10k mtts than me. I'll listen to it when you stop being apologists and defenders of an antisocial **** who's ONLY strategy is to tilt people by taunting them throughout a hand - a strategy that is clearly 100% against the rules and should have seen him DQ'd
I strongly recommend you firstly check your goddamn privelege.

Secondly, you need to look up what berating someone means. It's not what you think because Kassouf never berated anyone.

Thirdly, you need some of this and to chill:

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Old 10-27-2016, 08:10 PM   #1311
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I'd love to see a correlation between number of posts and support for WK. I'm guessing it's very strongly inversely correlated.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:11 PM   #1312
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I agree with alot of what u said oldsilver but your attitude is disgusting. Seems from your post history your asking for advice in $300 live and $25 online mtts don't see any $10k hand historys being dissected.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:14 PM   #1313
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Imo:

speech play = fine (despite it not being my bag....but imo it has to be OK)

Excessive tanking = dreadful/horrible for the game

Now, where it got really ugly is when he started using his speech play to assist in excessive tanking. That's where he just comes off as the biggest ahole on the planet.

But his speech play against Stacey Matuson was TOTALLY fine imo.

His speech play to drag out hands was awful and floor should have done a better job policing it.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:15 PM   #1314
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Everything I've seen on Benger makes me think he's a massive, I mean massive douchenozzle.
Everything I have read by Clovis convinces me he is the same.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:36 PM   #1315
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I agree with alot of what u said oldsilver but your attitude is disgusting. Seems from your post history your asking for advice in $300 live and $25 online mtts don't see any $10k hand historys being dissected.
the support for Kassouf is disgusting and unless people voice strong objections and call for change then there will be three WK wannabies of various descriptions clogging up the tables at every event we play. i found Kassouf's behaviour utterly obnoxious and I don't think you disagree with me on that.

and don't call into question the number of $10k MEs I've played pls. if you have a legitimate question in that regard, then pm me.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:38 PM   #1316
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But his speech play against Stacey Matuson was TOTALLY fine imo.
I disagree on this one because action was on Stacey and Will just wouldn't shut the fk up, he kept incessantly badgering her while action was on her and she had a big decision to make. I don't think that is fair to another player to not give them "space" to think and make a decision, and in fact I think Rule 47 & Rule 48 address this situation.

It's one thing when action is on Will and he is trying to engage in conversation to gather information, it's another when action is on your opponent and you are chatterbox badgering them so badly they can't even think to make a decision.
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:41 PM   #1317
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Ye i do agree as i said but saying no other opinion has merit as you haven't played as many 10ks as me is the wrong way to put forward your opinion. Guess all our opinions are useless once Fedor Holz speaks going by that metric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTt27pbrjiQ

Respectful behaviour..
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:48 PM   #1318
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Again, talking about content of hands in multiway pot, how can anyone say this guy doesn't break rules?

Again, he also broke the rules by defying floor, and excessive chatter and excessive tanking rule. How can anyone possibly say he hasn't broken any rules?
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Old 10-27-2016, 08:52 PM   #1319
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Again, talking about content of hands in multiway pot, how can anyone say this guy doesn't break rules?

Again, he also broke the rules by defying floor, and excessive chatter and excessive tanking rule. How can anyone possibly say he hasn't broken any rules?
They can't if they believe in facts. Sadly an increasingly large part of the population believe facts are maluable and subject to opinion. They think coded language like SJW are replacements for facts.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:03 PM   #1320
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Ye i do agree as i said but saying no other opinion has merit as you haven't played as many 10ks as me is the wrong way to put forward your opinion. Guess all our opinions are useless once Fedor Holz speaks going by that metric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTt27pbrjiQ

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You get the general idea. If you're not playing these tournaments, then you're not affected by these rule breaches. If the only basis of your opinion is the 'entertainment factor' involved then it's not a valid basis for opinion. so change my position to 'played at least one 10k ME' and let's move on.

the video link is a fair indication of how WK should be treated. the floor staff held his hands over his mouth, and the dealer and other players told him to shut up and get on with it. then he mucked his air and the hand moved on. pretty well handled, in good humor and a lot faster than the WSOP nonsense.

it's not that players like Kassouf don't exist. i play with many similar players on a regular basis and it can be entertaining at times. but you always have the rules and floor staff to back you up and move the game along when the stakes get higher or the game is dragging, so the aggravation is removed. when the floor staff fail to enforce the rules and allow a player like Kassouf to run unchecked - that's when it becomes a major issue.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:09 PM   #1321
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Ye the floor really failed on dealing with him. All they had to do was point out what rules he was breaking instead of trying to nail him on things he wasn't even doing. Guess thats where alot of the sympathy for him comes from. Best rule in the book is the TDs decision is final as poker is a complicated game and a rigid set of rules are never going to work when you have a guy doing his best to disrupt the game for his own benefit.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:11 PM   #1322
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If Kassouf doesn't fit the description of Rule 48: Excessive Chatter, then I have no idea why that rule even exists or how anyone could possibly be worse then Kassouf as far as Excessive Chatter.

Excessive Chatter denies your opponent the opportunity to think and make a decision when action is on them, like in the Stacey Matuson hand, action was on Stacey and Will wouldn't shut the F up with this Excessive Chatter. Seems unfair if you're the one trying to make a big decision for your stack.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:17 PM   #1323
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Correct. Jack Effel should be sanctioned over this. There were clear breaches of the rules and if there were any grey areas (i doubt it) then rule #1 can be applied.

Jack E received multiple protests from multiple players and did nothing. I've held back from hypothesising that ESPN may have had some undue influence over proceedings because I don't have any evidence and would like to think that WSOP would make it (non-interference) a clear condition of broadcast. But there did appear to be a significant difference in Jack Effel's attitude between the first penalty he handed Kassouf and the interpretation of rules on day 7. I'd like to know why, as there seems to be little difference in the behaviour and the tanking seemed to increase substantially if anything.

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Old 10-27-2016, 09:28 PM   #1324
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this!

wouldnt love having a guy like kassouf at my table on such a tournament..but the way most ppl behaved towards him was simply idiotic..culminating with the brainless check your privelege b.s

good show this year tho...2 bad kassouf is not in the ft.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:49 PM   #1325
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There was at least one televised hand where he was taunting and berating. It was against the elderly gentleman who had JJ. WK had KK. AFTER the chips went all in preflop, when "speech play" was no longer necessary, he said " Do you want to go once or twice." Clearly a needle. Then he kept jabberring on top of that. Not necessary at all.
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