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Old 10-27-2016, 12:25 PM   #1276
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

I'm sure Kassouf is annoying as hell to play with, and I don't even mean the talk, if you're offended by the nonsense talk you need to check your privilege and get a grip. Stalling would be tilting as hell though. However, some of the players reaaaally embarrassed themselves more than Kassouf.

Vayo was the worst offender imo, pathetic constant whining and looking for approval from the other players, Benger was obviously so cringe worthy, but apart from that one horrible outburst he seemed to deal with him fine. Josephy was out of line and looked a tool. Moss and Bleznicki or whatever his name is were actively trying to belittle Kassouf 'he's a $50 nightly grinder' 'he posted a £500 cash stack the other day haha'.

They developed a gang mentality in which they thought this behaviour was acceptable and I imagine they are cringing watching it back. Kassouf did not once get personal, nasty or belittling in any way. The wild celebrations and the tool that didn't even shake his hand were so bad.

A real table of good, professional players would not have reacted the way they did. I hope Pons, Hallaert or one of the other guys who didn't absolutely embarrass themselves win.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:48 PM   #1277
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The guy is an utter ****, his behaviour was (deliberately) obnoxious, the advantage he gained by being obnoxious was unfair to other players and he should have been muzzled on day one and DQ'd for ongoing breaches. His 9-high hand should have been declared dead. Jack Effel should be looking for a new job after this disgraceful performance.

It's a joke to say that his obnoxious nature would be ok if he'd played faster. When is it ever acceptable to be obnoxious ? His continued participation was an insult to every other paying customer and an indictment on the wsop.

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Old 10-27-2016, 12:48 PM   #1278
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There should be a filter that auto blocks anyone who uses the term SJW as it's safe to assume anything else they post will be total garbage and not based on any fact.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:52 PM   #1279
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:22 PM   #1280
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There should be a filter that auto blocks anyone who uses the term SJW as it's safe to assume anything else they post will be total garbage and not based on any fact.
SJW?
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:29 PM   #1281
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I'm sure Kassouf is annoying as hell to play with, and I don't even mean the talk, if you're offended by the nonsense talk you need to check your privilege and get a grip. Stalling would be tilting as hell though. However, some of the players reaaaally embarrassed themselves more than Kassouf.

Vayo was the worst offender imo, pathetic constant whining and looking for approval from the other players, Benger was obviously so cringe worthy, but apart from that one horrible outburst he seemed to deal with him fine. Josephy was out of line and looked a tool. Moss and Bleznicki or whatever his name is were actively trying to belittle Kassouf 'he's a $50 nightly grinder' 'he posted a £500 cash stack the other day haha'.

They developed a gang mentality in which they thought this behaviour was acceptable and I imagine they are cringing watching it back. Kassouf did not once get personal, nasty or belittling in any way. The wild celebrations and the tool that didn't even shake his hand were so bad.

A real table of good, professional players would not have reacted the way they did. I hope Pons, Hallaert or one of the other guys who didn't absolutely embarrass themselves win.
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:44 PM   #1282
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SJW?
Social Justice Warrior. These are the people who don't like to be "triggered' with "micro-agressions" or else they have to run to their "safe space". These are the people who go to Harvard and request to not have their ideas challenged because University is more of a place to feel safe like you're at home.

Benger is such a knucklehead that he didn't use the expression "check your privilege" correctly. A rich white male professional poker player telling an amateur half lebanese Brit poker player to "Check their privilege" is like Warren Buffett telling a fast food worker to stop oppressing him.
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:51 PM   #1283
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Social Justice Warrior. These are the people who don't like to be "triggered' with "micro-agressions" or else they have to run to their "safe space". These are the people who go to Harvard and request to not have their ideas challenged because University is more of a place to feel safe like you're at home.

Benger is such a knucklehead that he didn't use the expression "check your privilege" correctly. A rich white male professional poker player telling an amateur half lebanese Brit poker player to "Check their privilege" is like Warren Buffett telling a fast food worker to stop oppressing him.
It's amusing how poorly you understand Benger's point.
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:09 PM   #1284
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It's amusing how poorly you understand Benger's point.
I'd be willing to bet even Benger didn't understand Benger's point.

A mindless parroting of SJW vocabulary when tension gets the best of you was all that was happening there, imho.
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:13 PM   #1285
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Clovis, go ahead and post what you think benger meant so i can eviscerate you once and for all, i 100% guarantee you look like an idiot by the end of my response

edit- to anyone who doesn't already think you're an idiot***

if you somehow manage to best me bc i have a stroke or something while typing i'll perm log out of my account and return to lurking

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Old 10-27-2016, 02:31 PM   #1286
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It's amusing how poorly you understand Benger's point.
Benger's use of "check your privilege" in that spot -- where both are highly educated, intelligent, people from first-world countries and who gambling for vast sums of money after voluntarily putting up 10k to do so -- is thoroughly ridiculous. What he meant is "you're ridiculously selfish. You're irritating everyone else at the table with your stupid tanking and your incessant blather, and you know it perfectly well, which is either relentlessly arrogant and self-absorbed, or downright malicious."

"Check your privilege" is at root an assertion as to why Kassouf is, in benger's view, a selfish dickhead. That has no place in the conversation and is generally reflective of the sanctimonious nature of the SJW crowd.
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:59 PM   #1287
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The thing I don't get post-airing, is why Kassouf is complaining about the reaction he got from the other players. Surely that was exactly the reaction he was hoping for from his 'strategy' in the first place!
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Old 10-27-2016, 03:19 PM   #1288
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There should be a filter that auto blocks anyone who uses the term SJW as it's safe to assume anything else they post will be total garbage and not based on any fact.
That is the assumption I make with you and not a single one of your posts has ever proven it wrong.
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Old 10-27-2016, 03:45 PM   #1289
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It's amusing how poorly you understand Benger's point.
You're literally the only person on this board who likes Benger.

So, hi Griffin!
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Old 10-27-2016, 04:07 PM   #1290
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It's amusing how poorly you understand Benger's point.
Stop triggering me!!!!
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Old 10-27-2016, 04:39 PM   #1291
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Social Justice Warrior. These are the people who don't like to be "triggered' with "micro-agressions" or else they have to run to their "safe space". These are the people who go to Harvard and request to not have their ideas challenged because University is more of a place to feel safe like you're at home.
That's probably how it was intended when it was first used. Sadly, it's now basically just used as as an insult towards anyone someone feels is a little too "PC" (another overused/misused term) for their tastes.

Fits nicely into the unfortunate trend of people dismissing other's opinions with as little thought or discussion as possible. Welcome to the Internet - land of polarized opinions!
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Old 10-27-2016, 05:31 PM   #1292
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

Wow I've been called grandpa Simpson and Stalin by a couple of kassoufs mates that have a combined total of around 200 posts, most of them in this thread.

I don't care for the opinion of anyone who thinks kassoufs behaviour was justified so save your breath. If you think the guys behaviour was reasonable, you've forever labelled yourself a moron and while you may have an opinion, it's not worth listening to. Sorry Bobo.

Talking about benger and others as the villians in this piece is classic blame shifting. Kassouf was the only one at fault throughout, and it was obvious to any reasonable person including everyone present at that event.
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Old 10-27-2016, 05:52 PM   #1293
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not sure this has been posted.

Great interview by Sasha Salinger with boss man after he busted EPT Main. most of interview is about WSOP hand with GB.

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Old 10-27-2016, 05:55 PM   #1294
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

Who cares about further airtime for this guy.

Both the excessive chatter and the constant tanking were clear rule breaches. Rule 65 covers both:

65. Etiquette Violations

Repeat etiquette violations will result in penalties. Examples include but are not limited to: persistent delay of the game, unnecessarily touching other players’ cards or chips, repeatedly acting out of turn, betting out of reach of the dealer, abusive conduct, and excessive chatter.

http://www.pokertda.com/wp-content/u...form-PDF-1.pdf

The rule exists to stop the kind of bs we saw from Kassouf. It's not even close to ambiguous. The lack of effective action from Jack Effel was disgraceful. I suspect that the affected players have potential legal recourse against WSOP.

I'm also fairly certain that most of the posters supporting WK in this thread have never played a $10k live event and really aren't commenting on anything more than an 'I reckon' basis. Those of us that do play such events regularly have a right to play them within the rules.

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Old 10-27-2016, 06:08 PM   #1295
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Who cares about further airtime for this guy.

Both the excessive chatter and the constant tanking were clear rule breaches. Rule 65 covers both:

65. Etiquette Violations

Repeat etiquette violations will result in penalties. Examples include but are not limited to: persistent delay of the game, unnecessarily touching other players’ cards or chips, repeatedly acting out of turn, betting out of reach of the dealer, abusive conduct, and excessive chatter.

http://www.pokertda.com/wp-content/u...form-PDF-1.pdf

The rule exists to stop the kind of bs we saw from Kassouf. It's not even close to ambiguous. The lack of effective action from Jack Effel was disgraceful. I suspect that the affected players have potential legal recourse against WSOP.

I'm also fairly certain that most of the posters supporting WK in this thread have never played a $10k live event and really aren't commenting on anything more than an 'I reckon' basis. Those of us that do play such events regularly have a right to play them within the rules.
Amazing.
Tell us more.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:18 PM   #1296
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

The other two potentially relevant rules that may have been invoked here are:

1. Floor Decisions

The best interest of the game and fairness are top priorities in decision-making. Unusual circumstances occasionally dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over technical rules. Floor decisions are final.

61. No Disclosure
Players must protect other players in the tournament at all times. Therefore players, whether in the hand or not, must not:
1. Disclose contents of live or folded hands,
2. Advise or criticize play at any time,
3. Read a hand that hasn't been tabled.
One-player-to-a-hand is in effect. Among other things, this rule prohibits showing a hand to or discussing strategy with another player, advisor, or spectator.

WK was putting players at his table at a disadvantage to the rest of the field by ensuring that they played around 2/3 the number of hands of other tables. It was further clear that his behaviour was adversely affecting every other player (fairly clear from the responses and protests). This was a reasonable time to step in under rule #1. It is of course discretionary, but the case was fairly strong here with so many protests and so many affected players.

There were also examples of kassouf breaching #61 by advising or criticising the play of others.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:18 PM   #1297
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Benger's use of "check your privilege" in that spot -- where both are highly educated, intelligent, people from first-world countries and who gambling for vast sums of money after voluntarily putting up 10k to do so -- is thoroughly ridiculous. What he meant is "you're ridiculously selfish. You're irritating everyone else at the table with your stupid tanking and your incessant blather, and you know it perfectly well, which is either relentlessly arrogant and self-absorbed, or downright malicious."
This.

But the reason why the phrase "check your privilege" triggers a lot of people, including most of this thread, is it's an appeal to argumentation by autobiography rather than logic.

I've decided to actually watch the episodes of this now I don't watch the pokerstars stuff anymore.

How do they know in the first episode that had 86s when he tanked before folding and mucking to an all-in? is it just artistic license to establish the character?

Also the commentators are stale even after not watching any WSOP for 3 years.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:27 PM   #1298
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So, all in all, a pretty shoddy effort from WSOP on this occasion. Given the millions being played for and the fact that the players signed up for the tournament expecting to be protected by the governing rules, there's a fairly significant failure here on the part of WSOP - one that kassouf exploited, possibly even to his advantage at times.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:36 PM   #1299
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Vayo and Josephy were more out of line than Kassouf imo. Kassouf was not blameless but Josephy was a dick and Vayo was pathetic, like the kid who got bullied in school finally had the chance to be on the other side.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:43 PM   #1300
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Re: "9 high like a boss" aka "Check your privilege"

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Who cares about further airtime for this guy.

Both the excessive chatter and the constant tanking were clear rule breaches. Rule 65 covers both:

65. Etiquette Violations

Repeat etiquette violations will result in penalties. Examples include but are not limited to: persistent delay of the game, unnecessarily touching other players’ cards or chips, repeatedly acting out of turn, betting out of reach of the dealer, abusive conduct, and excessive chatter.

http://www.pokertda.com/wp-content/u...form-PDF-1.pdf

The rule exists to stop the kind of bs we saw from Kassouf. It's not even close to ambiguous. The lack of effective action from Jack Effel was disgraceful. I suspect that the affected players have potential legal recourse against WSOP.

I'm also fairly certain that most of the posters supporting WK in this thread have never played a $10k live event and really aren't commenting on anything more than an 'I reckon' basis. Those of us that do play such events regularly have a right to play them within the rules.
Oldsilver you are quoting TDA rules, except WSOP does not use TDA rules, WSOP has its own unique set of rules (http://www.wsop.com/2016/2016%20WSOP...nt%20Rules.pdf), albeit similar to TDA. The relevant WSOP rules are:

Rule 48:
Participant or staff abuse will not be tolerated. A participant will incur a penalty up to and including disqualification for any abuse towards another participant or staff member, and the participant could be asked to leave the property. Repeated etiquette violations, including, but not limited to, touching another participant’s cards or chips, body, or clothing, delay of game and excessive chatter will result in penalties.

Rule 47:
Any participant who taunts another participant through theatrics or gestures or engages in any form of inappropriate behavior intended to disrupt other participants in the tournament will be subject to penalty in accordance with Rules 40, 111, and 112.
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