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Old 10-25-2016, 05:27 AM   #1051
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

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Private games don't normally consistent of dead silent passive aggressive cry babies, at least not the ones worth playing. The pros or good players that get into those games either chat it up with the fish and chirp a bit/give action or give %'s to the person running the game.
Kassouf would never get invited into my home game. Niwinski came off as a great, super fun guy, I would insta-invite him. Some of the others (like Vayo or Josephy) crossed the line a couple of times, but I would not mind them in a homegame, except for some lines during the whole Kassouf drama, they seem pleasant to talk to.

One point regarding Niwinski that I feel it is very important to express.

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thats poker for ya...full of degens and scumbags what do u expect. Lewinski and his old man probly need a bullet too.
If someone who is such a nice, genuine, down-to-earth bloke can get SO MUCH hate, boy... do I feel frightened about being 100% open about who I am in today's world. Can't we all simply be just a touch more... accepting? Is it really THAT hard to do so? I mean, how in the world is that comment even still there?
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:32 AM   #1052
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The majority of this thread:

One guy with no self-awareness acts like an annoying ******* for a week, and has been slowing down the game with his incessant tanking, he is asked numerous times to be respectful and refuses to admit he is doing anything wrong:

"OMFG HE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO HILARIOUS, GOOD FOR ME THE GAME! I WISH EVERYONE WAS LIKE THIS AT THE POKER TABLE, I WOULD ENJOY POKER SO MUCH MORE!!!!!"

The rest of the table, finally fed up with his childish, narcissistic behavior finally snaps back at him.

"OMFG, HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY DO THAT???? HE DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DESERVE THAT HOW DARE THEY??? WHAT JERKS???"

It's tough to really get upset with people who stereotype poker players negatively, when 90% of a poker forum are taking the side of an obvious moron.

I guess its easier to relate to a like-minded, self-centered, delusional brat, than established players who are more successful than most post of these posters will ever be put together.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:37 AM   #1053
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

probably stated already but amount of time taken vs. obnoxious table talk are two separate issues. As a rec/semi-reg both tilt the $%^ out of me and I'd never want to play in a game, or an event with him in as he just makes the whole thing so unpleasant regardless of outcome. So bad for the enjoyment of the game by folks like me
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:55 AM   #1054
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

Agoo758

"It's tough to really get upset with people who stereotype poker players negatively, when 90% of a poker forum are taking the side of an obvious moron.

I guess its easier to relate to a like-minded, self-centered, delusional brat, than established players who are more successful than most post of these posters will ever be put together."

In order to make your point have meaning, for yourself, you had to describe everyone (90%) who enjoyed watching WK as "like-minded, self-centered, delusional brat..."

The world really isn't black and white. You'll have more fun and be less uptight when you accept this fact.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:26 AM   #1055
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

Serious question, what perceived privilege did Kassouf have in this spot? Is being Canadian a protected class now? Anyone have any idea what he was getting at?
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:33 AM   #1056
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Sorry off topic but Kassouf is now in ept feature table

edit. Lol. Out KK < AA

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Old 10-25-2016, 07:46 AM   #1057
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Re: &amp;quot;9 high like a boss&amp;quot;

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A table with felt stretched taught across its surface.

Nine or ten chairs, maybe comfortable, maybe not.

A dealer, female or male, doing a job, quietly and with the aid of a ten thousand dollar (hopefully) random shuffling machine.

Nine or ten individuals occupy said chairs:

A landscaper, toiling in the sun, wind and rain five or six days a week. Slides ten thousand dollars into a makeshift cage to take a shot at taking the chips of the other individuals peering across the taught felt, a shot at millions of dollars. The landscaper has broken a hand when a rock fell from a truck being unloaded, slipped and tore a knee to shreds on the side of hill, while planting trees on some millionaires property, and gets to see his or her three children for an hour or so each night. Tough, thoughtful, hardworking, brings a quiet but hard demeanor to the table.

A banker, wealthy and set for life, used to shutting out the rest of the world in order to find tiny, fractional inefficiencies which to exploit to advantage. Kids go to expensive private schools and vacation in Spain and Barbados. Sits on the boards of multiple charities and philanthropic groups, which meet in high-end art galleries and restaurants. The banker brings studied knowledge of numbers, psychological manipulation and a ironic dual understanding that the ten thousand dollar entry fee can earn millions, but won't be lost should the kings and queens conspire against.

A gambler, lost to the thrill for years, hasn't seen family or friends in... Thrives beneath the lights, breaks from the felt filled with spinning reels and rolling dice. Knows the cigarette break may be his last, a balcony eight stories up providing a possible end if the ghosts of chance go south for the twentieth time. Forty-some years old, maybe older, and hoping every moment for that one score that drags his sole out of hock to the devil inside. Ten thousand dollars bet, borrowed and stolen, each penny another notch cut from weakening heart.

A teacher, summer break can't arrive fast enough. Two big tournament wins, each a chop of the mid-westerner's local casino's two hundred and fifty dollar buy-in Sunday Extravaganza has provided two thirds of the ten thousand dollar entry, the other third out of pocket. A child on the way, one last grab at life changing money before summers will be filled with diapers, and side jobs to save for children's college.

The pro, comfortable in a high rise just off the strip. A pool to swim in at night and exercise room thirty feet from the elevator door. Travels the world playing the circuit and bloated cash games. Ten thousand dollars is an entry on the accountants ledger, the price of doing business. The pro knows the tourney director, the dealers and is being railed by a handful of expectant fellow specialists. Supposed to win, the pro never wonders otherwise.

The young pizza maker, works odd jobs, often for tips, plays at the plush east coast casino. The pizza maker is taking a shot, not rolled properly, no back-up plan and no cash in reserve. Two hometown local grinders own a piece of the pizza maker's action, recent results on-line and live point to breakthrough in the biggest series of the year. If things go well, the significant other will join the pizza maker for the sweat of a lifetime, and maybe, just maybe they will move permanently to high-rise just off the strip.

These players and many more fill the seats at the tables covered in felt. Some will sit quietly, some will argue with their table-mates and the spots on the thin cards. Some of the players will jump from their seats when they win, others will slowly collect the pot and stack the chips. Some players will be able to talk others out winning calls, or into losing calls.

One thing's for certain, they all expect the casino to deal a fair game. They all expect to run head-long into humanities swirling cauldron of emotion, muscle, deception, elation and heartbreak. Deep down, they don't want new friends or someone to hold their hand and pat them on the head. They want to take their opponents chips, all of them. They want eight million dollars.

And, really, really deep inside, inside a place most of them will never understand, they want to get as far away as possible from the codified, paved, timed, insured, institutionalized soul shriveling modern world. Those fifty-two cards, felt and chairs are a place our very souls need, like a month in the wilderness, no guarantee of survival, the ancient brain takes over.

Poker needs to be this way, for our very sanity. It shouts out for the mind-benders, the bluffers, the talkers, the flippers and the gripping life reaffirming angst. That friendly banter, "Good game." "Well played." "Bad luck." That stuff is the bull#^* veneer covering the terrible game of survival we all hope for deep, deep inside each time we sit down.
cliffs please

And when did felt try to teach a table surface anything?
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:50 AM   #1058
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I would snap bet all the people itt acting like WK is not annoying would the the first in line complaining to the TD after hour 10 on day 7.

The logic itt is hilarious...

"I wasnt annoyed watching it for 4 minutes, cumulatively, over 6 episodes of a tv show so clearly I can safely conclude that my feelings would be the same after 10 hours of it at the table. This is obviously true even though all his opponents, at every table shown, feel the opposite. My 4 minute exposure is clearly better data because I'm awesome and not some SJW. Go me."
But that's not the case is it? Because people in this thread have played with him and have given their feelings about him too. Just because some people have an opinion based on what was shown on TV doesn't mean that's the only information everyone ITT has on him.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:06 AM   #1059
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

When I first saw it I wondered (and hoped) Benger was trying to act tilted in his own next level speech play act to try and induce the spazz shove/call from Kassouf, thinking he had TT+ AQ+ but after the all in it was clear it wasn't an act. Disappointing really!
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:26 AM   #1060
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

Hope Benger goes out in 9th and Vayo in 8th. But, with my history, I may have ensured they end up heads up.

And Kassouf goes out in EPT Kk v AA and apparently same speech play.


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Old 10-25-2016, 10:07 AM   #1061
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kassouf made benger, josephy and vayo look like whining pu55ies without him in any way being abusive. benger was left looking particularly silly after his ridiculous "abusive" accusations - especially if kassouf's allegations of racism from benger and his rail are true
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:09 AM   #1062
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Re: &amp;quot;9 high like a boss&amp;quot;

If anyone mentioned this I missed it.

How long did it take WK to make his decision to shove against GB?

I remember reading the hand summary which quoted someone saying he took ten minutes but how long did he really take with KK?

The hand summary was IMO more entertaining than the edited ESPN replay. But then I thought the flush board hand was more fun to watch than AA vs KK.

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And when did felt try to teach a table surface anything?
Well played.
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:52 AM   #1063
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It seems Benger is being judged off one thing. He admitted he lost his cool and said things he shouldn't have said. I'm a bit surprised there's a lot of judgment from it. I agree with others that say after 7 days of high stress poker all day long it's easier to get frustrated. I wonder how many hands were played at a table where WK played vs another average table.
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:08 AM   #1064
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i dont think ive ever cringed so hard as i did watching benger. wow
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:15 AM   #1065
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It seems Benger is being judged off one thing. He admitted he lost his cool and said things he shouldn't have said. I'm a bit surprised there's a lot of judgment from it. I agree with others that say after 7 days of high stress poker all day long it's easier to get frustrated. I wonder how many hands were played at a table where WK played vs another average table.
The hate should go to Vayo for spreading lies about him to people and continuing to do so on Social Media. This is really why Benger reacted as he did, because he came in with impressions of WK that were wrong because of Vayo lying about him.
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:20 AM   #1066
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

Most of the other players managed to come off looking worse than WK.. including Josephy. It is possible to disagree with what someone else is doing and express it in a way that makes you look like an adult with social skills.
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:32 AM   #1067
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cliffs please

And when did felt try to teach a table surface anything?
Just after the players covered with felt sat down.
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:34 AM   #1068
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Serious question, what perceived privilege did Kassouf have in this spot? Is being Canadian a protected class now? Anyone have any idea what he was getting at?
White male privilege


Benger is a puss
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:50 AM   #1069
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i dont think ive ever cringed so hard as i did watching benger. wow
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:56 AM   #1070
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Benger is a puss
I'm guessing that in Benger's view, WK thought he was OK to say and do whatever he wanted even though it was upsetting others. I don't necessarily agree with that view and I think Benger realises he was wrong now, but I believe that was where he was coming from.
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:58 AM   #1071
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kassouf made benger, josephy and vayo look like whining pu55ies without him in any way being abusive. benger was left looking particularly silly after his ridiculous "abusive" accusations - especially if kassouf's allegations of racism from benger and his rail are true
This is the first I have heard of this. Since they are all white males involved I am very curious as what racist was said.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:04 PM   #1072
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Sorry off topic but Kassouf is now in ept feature table

edit. Lol. Out KK < AA
srsly? How deep?

edit: on tube already


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Old 10-25-2016, 12:12 PM   #1073
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Serious question, what perceived privilege did Kassouf have in this spot? Is being Canadian a protected class now? Anyone have any idea what he was getting at?
Yes, it means that white male Canadians are of a lower and oppressed class when compared to the white male British imperialist.

Or most likely it means that Benger made an extremely ignorant comment that further solidifies that political correctness has now infected the poker subculture. It's also a testament to the fact that poker "pros" know how to construct 3,4,5 bet ranges, calculate EV and hand read, but somehow did not acquire the attribute of focus and concentration in their long careers so they could tune out Kassouf's table talk.

If we're going to talk about privilege and entitlement, a poker "pro" running to their mommy and daddy (floor director) to complain that an amateur is tilting them with their talk is embarrassing.

The first course of action for any mature professional would be to address Kasouff personally and request him to stop talking. The next would be to call the clock. It's the obvious and courteous thing to do.

Kasouff is good for poker and t.v. If we want to see a renaissance in the game to bring more recreational players in, we need more players like Kassouf, not more "pros" wearing hoodies, sunglasses, and headphones sitting in their seats like statues.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:15 PM   #1074
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Sounds about right after 7 days of high pressure poker while dealing with a nominee for "Biggest Douche In The Universe".

Those words surely would've popped right into your brain, and you would've eloquently resided them to a national TV audience while being both incredibly charming and slightly threatening at once.



How about getting to his spot and THEN opine?
esprit d'escalier certainly exists, but I'd have a fair chance of coming up with that line or something similar. No guarantees, of course, but verbal presence under pressure usually isn't a problem for me, and I'm not the sort to vent like Joseph or vayo, or resort to third grade like bleznick.

But I should probably have phrased my post a little differently, i.e. aspirationally.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:17 PM   #1075
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Yes, it means that white male Canadians are of a lower and oppressed class when compared to the white male British imperialist.

Or most likely it means that Benger made an extremely ignorant comment that further solidifies that political correctness has now infected the poker subculture. It's also a testament to the fact that poker "pros" know how to construct 3,4,5 bet ranges, calculate EV and hand read, but somehow did not acquire the attribute of focus and concentration in their long careers so they could tune out Kassouf's table talk.

If we're going to talk about privilege and entitlement, a poker "pro" running to their mommy and daddy (floor director) to complain that an amateur is tilting them with their talk is embarrassing.

The first course of action for any mature professional would be to address Kasouff personally and request him to stop talking. The next would be to call the clock. It's the obvious and courteous thing to do.

Kasouff is good for poker and t.v. If we want to see a renaissance in the game to bring more recreational players in, we need more players like Kassouf, not more "pros" wearing hoodies, sunglasses, and headphones sitting in their seats like statues.
+1 but you still need to check your privillege
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