Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

News, Views, and Gossip For poker news, views, and gossip

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-18-2016, 05:12 PM   #676
jfound
old hand
 
jfound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,663
Re: "9 high like a boss"

If you check YouTube poll, I believe majority had a positive attitude on him. That's YouTuber voting but I don't mind playing with him but my thinking may be wrong as I don't have definite answers or edvendence. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just stating my opinion.
jfound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 05:17 PM   #677
jfound
old hand
 
jfound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,663
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by whosnext View Post
You initially said Will was good for the game and rec players would like to be at his table.

Now you are saying that Will was good for Will.

I hope you realize that those statements are not very similar.
I never said will was good to his opponent, I said I rather play with will than a hoodie online pro with headphones.
jfound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 05:18 PM   #678
iPLOwgirls
centurion
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: The Bay.
Posts: 157
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfound View Post
violence is alway the answer sigh. That's why poker player are near nut low.
nut low is a poker player who intentionally pisses people off knowing they can't do anything back because of the situation they are in.
iPLOwgirls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 05:23 PM   #679
jfound
old hand
 
jfound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,663
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by iPLOwgirls View Post
nut low is a poker player who intentionally pisses people off knowing they can't do anything back because of the situation they are in.
Don't get me wrong, he's testing people to gain an advantage but within the rules. If he breaks the rule, give him a penalty. All the Pro who play online poker using programs are the same. They are looking for an edge.
jfound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 06:25 PM   #680
ohmyquad
grinder
 
ohmyquad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: binked 1M
Posts: 554
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by kerr View Post
We should all be grateful to Kassouf because his actions will finally bring about what is much needed in poker, a shot clock. Anyone in this thread that is on his dick, I guarantee your opinion would be different if you had to sit with him for hours playing a mere 15 hands per hour. His "speech-play" is one thing, his tanking on every single decision and non-decision is another. He is not good for the game. Thankfully he doesn't make the final table and will never go anywhere near this deep again.
qft
ohmyquad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 06:44 PM   #681
bellyfrog
centurion
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 136
Re: "9 high like a boss"

While the tanking **** is annoying people seem to forget that there are notorious tankers in every tournament and every year at the WSOP main event. Yet they don't have the entire table ganging up on them, calling the floor every other hand, throwing insults and tilting.

So yeah while the tanking sucks it's still ridiculous the way these "pros" reacted.
bellyfrog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 06:52 PM   #682
bellyfrog
centurion
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 136
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by iPLOwgirls View Post
This^^^^

What kind of "Boss" runs to the TD and cries about being called names? What a tough guy!
What utter nonsense. He didn't even want the TD there but since the TD was there and accusing HIM of insulting other players at the table he simply brought up the point that he hadn't insulted anyone and that in fact several of the other players at the table had directly insulted him and not even received a warning.

Regardless of whether you enjoy watching Will or not, at least get the facts straight before making yourself look like an idiot.
bellyfrog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 06:56 PM   #683
Howard Treesong
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Howard Treesong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: In for the long con!
Posts: 14,301
Re: "9 high like a boss"

I agree. Josephy has had an excellent reputation (deserved) for many years, but this telecast made him and others look like bullies. At least the British guy's insult was mildly creative, likening Kassouf to a parrot. Calling him a clown may well be true, but it mostly shows that Kassouf got under Cliff's skin, and that obviously isn't to Cliff's credit.

Tanking is massively annoying and I've become a clock hound to those people that routinely do it. I don't object at all when people retaliate against tankers, although I think there are much more effective retaliations than what ESPN showed here.

It is much better to be funny/mean than mean/mean, and the table pretty clearly lost sight of that.

It isn't the fact that Kassouf talks that bothers me. Danny -- who I've played with a fair number of times -- is also quite talkative. But he's a very entertaining, self-effacing conversationalist who doesn't let his talk get in the way of his play. Kassouf is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Howard Treesong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 07:07 PM   #684
Howard Treesong
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Howard Treesong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: In for the long con!
Posts: 14,301
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by bellyfrog View Post
What utter nonsense. He didn't even want the TD there but since the TD was there and accusing HIM of insulting other players at the table he simply brought up the point that he hadn't insulted anyone and that in fact several of the other players at the table had directly insulted him and not even received a warning.

Regardless of whether you enjoy watching Will or not, at least get the facts straight before making yourself look like an idiot.
I quite literally cannot imagine a circumstance where I'd complain to a TD about someone calling me a name. Kassouf getting people to call him names struck me as being a little like an NBA or soccer flop, or nudging someone in the ribs until he slugs you -- it's the retaliation that always gets the penalty.

I suspect I'd try to get under Kassouf's skin, but I'd hope to be rather more clever and creative about it than calling him third-grade names.
Howard Treesong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 07:24 PM   #685
SuperSwag
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 5,336
Re: "9 high like a boss"

I'm gonna take a wild guess and Cliff Josephy is buddy buddy with Jack which is why the table was allowed to continue bullying will to no end?
SuperSwag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 07:29 PM   #686
epcfast
veteran
 
epcfast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,535
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSwag View Post
I'm gonna take a wild guess and Cliff Josephy is buddy buddy with Jack which is why the table was allowed to continue bullying will to no end?
My wild guess would be that he doesn't know him from Adam but Stacey needs a backer.
epcfast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 07:30 PM   #687
onesteptheface
twostepdatazz
 
onesteptheface's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 621
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by bellyfrog View Post
While the tanking **** is annoying people seem to forget that there are notorious tankers in every tournament and every year at the WSOP main event. Yet they don't have the entire table ganging up on them, calling the floor every other hand, throwing insults and tilting.

So yeah while the tanking sucks it's still ridiculous the way these "pros" reacted.
Agreed.

Last year was insane with the tanking.

Maybe guys like Joesephy and Vayo feel less inclined to attack epic preflop tankers like Zvi Stern.



Pretty sure Bleznick or Mr. "I'm so sorry you had to go through that" would rather sit in a pool of their own urine than confront a guy like Stern.


To Stern's credit, he did pick up the pace after criticism.
onesteptheface is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 07:36 PM   #688
JohnBoyWWFC
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: @johnjacobs1989
Posts: 349
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keep Your Dreams View Post
Wow A8 suited ship with 9bb,must be tilted by the table fish (who tanks 12 minutes to fold for 10% of his staCk)

Wow both players river top pair decent kicker in a small pot and theres a bet and a call. Sick tilt
The fact that you have to embellish and exaggerate to try and make your point shows your point is invalid. The shove was for over 20bb and 1/6 of Kassouf's stack. Some of that 12 minute tank was taken up with Effel interfering.
Both players rivered top pair and there was a bet and a raise and a call.
Hallaert also looked him up with 4th pair which was uncharacteristic.
JohnBoyWWFC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 07:48 PM   #689
iPLOwgirls
centurion
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: The Bay.
Posts: 157
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by bellyfrog View Post
What utter nonsense. He didn't even want the TD there but since the TD was there and accusing HIM of insulting other players at the table he simply brought up the point that he hadn't insulted anyone and that in fact several of the other players at the table had directly insulted him and not even received a warning.

Regardless of whether you enjoy watching Will or not, at least get the facts straight before making yourself look like an idiot.
Please watch the episode again and notice multiple times him whining about being called names. It's like a crybaby child saying, "he called me a name first!"

If you are going to be a self proclaimed "boss" and you're trying to get on peoples nerves, you should be able to handle being called a "clown." Absolutely pathetic.

Nobody likes a bully, but you can't intentionally piss people off and expect absolutely no feedback. And when you get it, don't act like a victim.
iPLOwgirls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 07:57 PM   #690
onebigdummy
grinder
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 683
Re: "9 high like a boss"

no one in the audience cheers for him
onebigdummy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 08:12 PM   #691
Motherflopper
journeyman
 
Motherflopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: My House
Posts: 353
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeholdaPaleHorse View Post
no. the problem is real conflict is not allowed. im ok having kassouf at my table if im allowed to fight back. the fact is he is girly boy, crying like a ***** that someone called him a clown.

i wanna be able to call him what he really is. motherfcukeing mental patient. I wanna be able to kick his ***** teeth in. is that manly enough for you girly boy? bring on the real conflict or stfu and play.
This^^^^

What kind of "Boss" runs to the TD and cries about being called names? What a tough guy!

__________________________________________________ ______

Will wins.
Motherflopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 08:24 PM   #692
2OutsNoProb
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: BK, NY
Posts: 15,997
Re: "9 high like a boss"

It's hard to imagine anyone of reasonable intelligence thinking this guy's actions are anything but reprehensible. If you think that the pace of play isn't a problem for casual players, you're nuts. It's one of the major reasons I went from a frequent casual live player to someone who virtually never plays anymore.
2OutsNoProb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 08:27 PM   #693
TheFly
veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,241
Re: "9 high like a boss"

I'm wondering if most of the people posting here don't fully realize how bad the tanking was, and that edited TV replay is only going to hint at how bad it was.

Playing only 26 hands in a 2-hour level is absurd, that's not even 3 orbits!

Being annoyed at the incessantly badgering "speech play" is legitimate, but even more legitimate is being pissed off at the absurd tanking and single-handedly dramatically slowing down the game.
TheFly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 09:36 PM   #694
lvanhoe
old hand
 
lvanhoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,383
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb View Post
It's hard to imagine anyone of reasonable intelligence thinking this guy's actions are anything but reprehensible. If you think that the pace of play isn't a problem for casual players, you're nuts. It's one of the major reasons I went from a frequent casual live player to someone who virtually never plays anymore.
Given you have 15k posts on a poker forum I'm sure you are not a casual player.

Apart from that, **** Will Kassouf. This was painful to watch and it's even worse they decided to build an entire episode around his bs.

What was kinda hilarious was the ´one player to a hand´ comment from the TD. That´s the only time I was legitimately going 'lol wtf that doesnt make any sense'.
lvanhoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 09:44 PM   #695
JoeyJoJo Shabadu
Pooh-Bah
 
JoeyJoJo Shabadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: is dead inside
Posts: 5,355
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu Ungar View Post
Kassouf epitomizes everything that is bad about live tournament poker..
No, it's pretty much your opinion that does.

Worst part of that whole thing is the "if you don't stop its 2 rounds". Do your job, be patient and deliver the message until it sinks in but don't trip.

Last edited by JoeyJoJo Shabadu; 10-18-2016 at 09:59 PM.
JoeyJoJo Shabadu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 09:55 PM   #696
pokeraz
veteran
 
pokeraz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Your AD here
Posts: 2,800
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Admittedly, I have only seen the clip with the lady and then this last episode. From that episode, everyone at that table acted far worse than Kassouf. And the TD was clearly clueless. One player to a hand? Lol.
pokeraz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 10:29 PM   #697
Howard Treesong
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Howard Treesong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: In for the long con!
Posts: 14,301
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Charlie and Jack both seemed borderline incoherent to me. Invoking the one player to a hand rule in that spot means that Jack fundamentally does not understand that rule.

Basically, everyone looked bad: Kassouf looked like a babbling, tanking twit, the rest of the players looked like a third-grade gang, and Jack and Charlie looked like authoritarian tools ("you don't like my incoherent ruling? Okay then, TWO orbits!)

Still, I enjoyed the telecast. Some of the hands were interesting and some of Norm's jokes funny.
Howard Treesong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 10:53 PM   #698
mooknam
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Portland, Maine
Posts: 203
Re: "9 high like a boss"

This thread says it all! This has been the most entertaining ESPN ME coverage in years. Like a boss! LOL
mooknam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 11:43 PM   #699
Jonestown
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 237
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Thought the fish and chips guy handled him well. Pushed back but didn't make it personal. Josephy decided to round up a posse and looked like an ass. Vayo lol what a sissy boy. TD and floor seemed clueless as to how to effectively deal with it or communicate respectfully. What a ****show. Paging Matt Savage.
Jonestown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 11:46 PM   #700
datwizz
centurion
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 195
Re: "9 high like a boss"

Bleznick makes me cringe whenever he talks.

9 high like a boss guy obviously super tilting too. Don't know what I would do if I was in Johnny Bax spot.
datwizz is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:55 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive