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Old 10-10-2016, 08:44 PM   #426
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its because he aint no boss. he is a ****talking lawyer. at least he is smart enough to know he would get mowed down. not much he could say in his defence other than 'marvelous'. the guy is socially inept
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Old 10-11-2016, 12:39 AM   #427
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No one defending Effel can account for the fact that Hellmuth does worse year in and year out and has never had a penalty enforced against him. Yet this kid gets a penalty for his actions in one hand (and continues his antics later and it's allowed?).

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Old 10-11-2016, 02:14 AM   #428
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Old 10-11-2016, 03:16 AM   #429
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

Kassouf was pretty annoying when it was just him endlessly talking to himself, but I did think he had a nice little comedy team going with Christoforou.
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:15 AM   #430
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saying the same 4-5 sentences for 10 hours long must be very annoying, we can't even imagine just watching the coverage on espn.
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:30 AM   #431
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His chattering and stalling when he knows he will fold takes away any goodwill I would have toward him.
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:33 AM   #432
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ppl defending kassouf because they dont like effel are just biased. effel did nothing wrong here, I would have been much tougher on kassouf if he ignored my warnings and got in my face like he did with effel. he warned him like 5 times! i would give him penalty as soon as he made his ***** gestures at matuson and then anoher round for not stfu. ppl accusing effel of power trip are tripping themselves....
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Old 10-11-2016, 12:52 PM   #433
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

I think for me the point where the conflict comes into play is that Jack interjects himself into this situation needlessly.

There's another supervisor at the table that has already been talking with Kassouf and makes it clear they're going to speak further.

Jack shows up towards the end and says "I'm going to handle this one" [3:27]

Jack could have easily avoided any appearance of a conflict of interest by not interjecting himself needlessly in the situation.
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:06 PM   #434
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and your point is...? I remember The Ice Man killed over 200ppl and his name was Richard Kuklinski because i saw a docu about him many years ago I and cant remember last nobel price winner despite reading about him few weeks ago. not really sure what you are trying to say. bad rep is better than no rep?

I am a poker player, i dont wanna be remembered, I want to win money. if you think being remembered is important, you probably chose wrong hobby/proffession.moreover, being remember for being abnoxious c..nt is not a good thing. Jamie Gold is remembered...
Are the same guy who, in another thread, thought the Taj casino was located in Las Vegas and then thanked Sirsly for the "update" that is (and always has been) actually in Atlantic City ?

Ever watch Rounders ? You know, that movie about poker ?

Just trying to place your memory in context.
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:10 PM   #435
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saying the same 4-5 sentences for 10 hours long must be very annoying, we can't even imagine just watching the coverage on espn.
yeah, do you want to play a big pot or small pot?
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Old 10-11-2016, 03:32 PM   #436
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yeah, do you want to play a big pot or small pot?
Medium sized pot
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Old 10-11-2016, 03:45 PM   #437
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He reminds fish why they don't play anymore.
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Old 10-11-2016, 04:26 PM   #438
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"like a boss"

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Old 10-11-2016, 11:01 PM   #439
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So are they real or not?
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:30 AM   #440
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Are the same guy who, in another thread, thought the Taj casino was located in Las Vegas and then thanked Sirsly for the "update" that is (and always has been) actually in Atlantic City ?

Ever watch Rounders ? You know, that movie about poker ?

Just trying to place your memory in context.
what has it got to do with anything? im from the other side of the world dude, i really dont keep track of where your casinos are. wtf?
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:18 AM   #441
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Kassouf and ESPN

Hey everyone! *This post may contain some spoilers regarding who made it deep into WSOP ME 2016 so don't continue if you haven't seen the first 6 episodes.

I've been slowly catching up on the 2-16 WSOP ME on ESPN to make it just before the FT (no spoilers please) and, as I'm sure anyone who has watched it knows, it's the Will Kassouf show.

I know some people like him a lot and some people hate him. Personally, as someone who does talk a fair bit at the poker table I HATE him. It's not that I mind Table talk but the likes of Kassouf and Jamie Gold are the reason why any table talk is slowly disappearing from the poker tables. They talk when they're not in hands and they talk when they're in one and their opponent is making a decision, which may be fine at your mate's garage but deep in a 10k Tourney, is straight up not cool imo. It also shows a lot of weakness in play to me. Like, people say "Poker is psychological warfare and you should put your opponents on tilt" but a good player doesn't do that by being annoying. You don't see Phil Ivey taunt his competition with incessant talk when they are making a decision. He makes people tilt by making plays.

Meanwhile, they get penalties and are constantly bad-mouthed by the commentators, but that doesn't stop ESPN from giving them ALL the TV time in the world! There are seriously hands in the ESPN coverage of Kassouf raising pre on the button and taking the antes and blinds. That's it! That's the whole hand.

So, we got this awfully weird dynamic, where table talk (especially the brand dished out by the likes of Kassouf) is pretty much globally believed to hurt the game, but whenever someone comes along that plays in that manner, they get more TV time than any of their stupid plays warrant. I honestly think if Kassouf never got the airtime that he clearly doesn't deserve, this type of behavior may slowly die away, but now, what's stopping all the kids next year to try to get on the air by being annoying?

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about this? Do you believe Kassouf's behavior needs to be discouraged, ignored, or televised and discussed? Does it hurt the game? Or is it good for the game? Should televised poker be focused primarily on the quality of the poker being played, or should it include the more "TV-worthy" moments even at the risk of having to cut out some good hands?

I mean, Dan Coleman made it to Day 6 (at least, I dunno if he made it further as I haven't watched all of it yet) and he is one of the best players in the world, and all we saw of him in the first 6 episodes are 2-3 hands where he calls shoves with Aces or AK, which don't even really highlight his genius. Meanwhile, every other hand features Kassouf raising with some crap and tilting everyone.

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Old 10-12-2016, 11:25 AM   #442
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Re: Kassouf and ESPN

I work in TV format/program development and Ive been thinking about the whole ME format lately, how it lacks innovation and surprise. I see so many opportunities, but they just keep doing the same thing over and over again.
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It is producers decision to go for the controversy/poloarizing figures (Kassouf, Keating) to make the coverage interesting. What they do not understand is the fact that interesting plays/players is what makes the ME coverage interesting, not socially inept jerk who never shuts up and annoys most at his tables. Sure it will make people talk, but will they enjoy watching it? Some will, but imho most will not. Controversy is not enough.

This is just super bad judgment on producers side and I honestly think they dont know what they are doing as the coverage gets gradually worse every year. I used to love watching the ME coverage, now Im just like 'meh whatever'.

I think the format needs an upgrade, refreshing, call it what you want. They need to bring in new people with new ideas. I like Lon and Norman, but their schtick has been getting old for few years now, they also need to work on their side, maybe bring in 3rd guy or even 2 more. Analyze the hands properly, dont dumb it down for the average Joe. Why dont they do the 'sweat the hand with' anymore? That used to be fun to watch...

I would love to see a studio kind of thing like they do in Premier League where N&L would bring in hosts and discuss the ME in more depth. Touch more subjects, dig deeper than just simple guy A plays guy B, here is flop turn and river, guy A wins followed by obligatory Norman old joke.

ESPN is ****ing lazy.

P.S. to be fair, there might be budget reasons for doing it so basic and free of innovation, who knows what goes on behind closed door in ESPN.

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Old 10-12-2016, 11:47 AM   #443
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

To be fair, I think the coverage has improved in the past few years, from the decision to cover the FT back to back starting from 2012, as opposed to previous years where the FT is basically stripped down to 8 bust hands.

Also, I think the coverage of this year, despite featuring Kassouf or Keating every other hand, has been a major improvement from earlier years, because they started the coverage from Day 5, which allows for a much more quality poker time to be televised as opposed to hundreds of busts in the first 5 episodes.

They have also started featuring stack sizes in the HUD which is a huge improvement.

But yeah there is surely room for improvement. Deeper analysis needs to happen (which they've been doing on the FT at least with Esfandiari or Busquet), but also deeper focus on hands where irregular/creative plays are made rather than coolers and standard shoves. I do understand how hard that is though, especially early on in tournaments where there are 3-4 cameras covering 12-15 tables so all they can do is run to the table where everyone just Gasped.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:51 AM   #444
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I don't think ESPN has a lot of input on the look or content of the show. That is the production company, Poker Productions/Mori and crew.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:03 PM   #445
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I don't think ESPN has a lot of input on the look or content of the show. That is the production company, Poker Productions/Mori and crew.
im not sure how it works in the u.s. but the broadcaster usually has a lot of control over the content, production comp. is just a tool to get the footage. aure they have creative input, but broadcaster has the final word over the structure, tone, editing, music, etc. i doubt it is prod. comp. who decides here, but i may be wrong
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:14 PM   #446
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... I mean, Dan Coleman made it to Day 6 (at least, I dunno if he made it further as I haven't watched all of it yet) and he is one of the best players in the world, and all we saw of him in the first 6 episodes are 2-3 hands where he calls shoves with Aces or AK, which don't even really highlight his genius.
Maybe if he didn't always look so miserable he would be featured more.

By the way, when Dan did try to do the table talk in later episodes it came off as very awkward and forced. Great player, but not a great personality.

p.s-- Overall this year's coverage is probably the best in the last 5.
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:27 PM   #447
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Re: "9 high like a boss"

If you think Jack is an unprofessional power tripping TD, you should see Matt Savage on a power trip. Hopefully the cameras would tame him though.

That said I've been the TD stressed out running an understaffed tourney and gone on a power trip before, so glass houses and all.
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:42 PM   #448
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His chattering and stalling when he knows he will fold takes away any goodwill I would have toward him.
This - he clearly is a TV whore and is more interested in being the center of attention than he is in maximizing his EV
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:22 PM   #449
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Kassouf just went on the Thinking Poker Podcast. I listened for a while but his talking tilted me and I stopped.
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Old 10-12-2016, 07:49 PM   #450
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He's doing the rounds alright. He's on Pokerfraudalert later too.
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