http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/home.aspx

Have any of you guys spoken with these guys yet?.

there are multilingual names, Dean being one of them. the variant with the letter "j" is more common here, but there are also people called Dean, I **** you not.

Noticed same thing with names, too. Dean is very common in Serbia.

From my experience with ipoker and partypoker (there is a thread about it somewhere), it's much more probable someone using AI and not getting banned then someone innocent getting banned.

So a bunch of guys with Serbian names were banned for running bots. On top of that they apparently all know each other.

I don't see how this is thread worthy. Go whine to your moms, losers.

this is one of the guys from the first page. I recognised his nickname from one croatian poker forum, this guy made some live-play videos there. here's one of them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hmWoV-ds80

I don't know this guy IRL, but from this video he looks like a completely normal multitabling reg, HUD all over screen, taking notes on players... I'd be willing to bet this guy isn't a bot.

poker scene here is tiny, anyone who's something knows about others from forums. have to say, at first I thought another classic bot story, but seeing this guy on the list makes me think 888 are doing something funny.

For what it's worth I don't know anyone who has posted in this thread and I don't know OP, but I did briefly add and speak with him on skype shortly after he made this thread to find an affiliate link (which there wasn't).

I also spoke to my affiliate earlier, he said quite a large number of people got banned (same email) but not everyone did, and that 888 support hasn't responded to any of his emails.

Sounds like it's the same story with some other affiliates, wish more people with the same issue would come in and post about it.

Can the mods also please delete posts accusing people of botting based on screen name / name / country? It's getting very silly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Can you Report posts that you'd like a mod to look at, please?

Mixgrill: guys asked you what kind of software gave you 'glitch'? You refused to give answer. So I am asking you again. What kind of SW give you glitch???
Definition is this: a sudden, usually temporary malfunction or fault of equipment.
"a draft version was lost in a computer glitch"
And what do you mean by 'glitch' anyways? How come I played online poker for 10 years and never even heard about anyone having a software glitch that would raise suspicion Did I see funny glitches? Yes. One that raise suspicion? HELL NO.
Glitch to me is some very infrequent thing in software. So what are the chance that: 1. it is happening 2. In the same time pokerstars integration team spot it if it is an infrequent one. 3. It is a glitch that makes them suspect you using **** you are not supposed to do.
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All the other guys:
One of the most idiotic reasoning ever is "I would never come here if done anything wrong".

As some you guys stated on your own, poker community is a very small community nowdays, especially top of small stakes+ (midstakes). I bet people who did something wrong would come here as innocents, as there are too high of a risk other player notice the lack of them on the sites. People like bragging to friends, so most botters I dont think could keep their mouth shut about winning in poker (just forget to mention they dont play... their bot do). " Ohhh no I'm innocent I didnt do anything wrong!". Once people find out you cheated, you wont have peace in poker community my friend. So very surprising the 'GTO' move is to go to forums and start crying? lol

I am myself was curious about bots and found couple websites and did my research. One of them stated on their website that 888 security is at best medium, and bot developers have affil who can even give you extra rakeback....

I am not saying that cannot be people involved who are innocent. But maybe if we could look into the case we could find pokersnowie opened here and there, or other kind of 'weird' SW running, or using a virtual machine, tweaking the hud in ways its prohibited or some stuff like that. Or registered under the bad head-affiliate guy.
I don't say 100% of the time, but majority of cases. If I could I bet on this.
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Other thing: I dont quite understand how poker rooms dont even use captcha or some 'riddle' or stuff like that in every 10-15 mins. One could make a filter like losing rec players get it very infrequently to not bother them, while regulars have to complete it more frequently.Ppl who play from phone would never get it. At least the botter should be very close to his computer, and if forget to be there would get caught immediately. I think it as one of the easiest ways to battle bots. Sadly noone is doing it.
With some algorithm fish wouldnt get annoyed, and for example ppl who play from their phone never get it etcetcetc. Captcha is bulletproof? NO. Could it remove at least some of the bots? I think yes. All of them? NO.

asking someone who isn't savvy with software to explain a glitch is like asking a common person who knows nothing about cars (other than how to buy and use one) what some random noise or malfunction is


yes ppl cheat on 888, maybe even some of them got caught up in this nonsense so that's great sure w/e, however when you realize the range of players banned, ranging from full time regs to recs with 8k hands played lifetime and some ppl who haven't even played a hand yet, and that we all had affiliate deals which im sure 888 isn't too happy about (they pay fee's or a % rb to whoever signed up our accounts) ... and they aren't willing to say ANYTHING other than "email support"...l just makes it seem like you should at least entertain the idea that most of us are telling the truth and this was a massive cashgrab

"who knows nothing about cars (other than how to buy and use one) what some random noise or malfunction is"

No it is also a terrible way to describe situation, as this person clearly is a MS pro, who is also teaching people how to play poker (if my infos are correct, and there were people who said you are one of them.Interesting.). We can definetly say he has some knowledge about poker softwares.
Even tho he may can't describe it as a software developer/programmer, but could definetly tell us what kind of glitch can cause suspicion playing poker, and what software caused it. I definetly would try to explain for the best I can if anyone called me out for cheating like that. Chances are so low (having a 'glitch'--->having a 'glitch' that is illegal--->Stars integrity team catches it. Why would they ever care about a 'glitch' that doesnt give a player any advantage over others?
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I am not suggesting anything, really just playing with scenarios in my head and I am deeply sorry if there are innocent people involved in the thread.
But we don't have any proof rec players got banned, other than some people came anonymously(with only couple posts..) to the forum and posted they got it also. Looks like
*most of the players got banned from a certain region,
*were mostly full time poker pros
*with some connection between them
This can be proven easily. If any recs got banned? Really we cant prove that 100%! But certainly would be a 'clever' move to stir the '$h1t', making couple accounts on 2+2, telling ohh im a rec and still got the message, and then on could say ohh no we didnt cheat, look, recs got this also. I don't think any poker room is as stupid to ban rec players without any suspicion. And even a player who has zero knowledge on how to detect a bot, given the position for them to detect bots, would never ever filter out recs. Do they filter out accounts with low volume? Yeah they can do, as botters lots of the times switch accounts.

There must be connection in this case as I see it.

i believe there is a connection as well, but nothing that violated TOS... i'm leaning towards them trying to trim off having to pay affiliates money by banning the accounts, i dont work with affiliation, i have no idea how that stuff works ect... maybe the affiliates are all connected and one of them ****ed up, i have no idea

and no, just bc someone uses software doesnt mean they can explain a glitch, one requires knowledge of it's utility, the other requires a basic understanding of programming as well as the programs framework.

someone can drive the hell out of a car but still not understand how exactly the suspension or fuel injection system works and couldnt explain an issue with it other than "something isnt right'

Ok, again:
*most of the players got banned from a certain region,
*were mostly full time poker pros
*with some connection between them

*some random accounts came here, posted 'im a rec and still got banned'. This can't be proven tho. You even made a post something like "look guys this means cannot be connection between the accounts". lol
*mixgrill/mmasherdog got involved with accusations in this topic. He could not answer crystal clear questions, not even what kind of software made the glitch, not even trying to explain it like a 3 year old kid. I would say there are other suspicious signs in this topic. One of them is omehow, you trying to defend him with some "questionable"(lol) arguments about cars. But you and your teacher still didnt address any of my questions, like how a glitch can raise suspicion, if it was a one time event what are the chances to get caught right away, why is that matter if it didnt give any unfair advantage and stuff like that. You don't have to be a SW developer to answer those. lol got answer some $hlt with cars that doesnt make the slightest sense in this context lol.
*somehow, you SenpaiSwift, mixgrill student got accused of using AI ang got banned.
*as I understand correctly, you have at least some connections with the other guys.

1.) i'm not even a current student of mixgrill

2.) you're using me defending myself by quoting some posts of someone claiming to be a rec gettting banned as an offhand away of accusing me of promoting shilling in the thread which is completely unsubstantiated... of course if someone posts something i think is helpful to my point i would reiterate it, ofc i cant prove they are telling the truth

3.) my connection is literally knowing 3 of the 20+ ppl that have posted on this forum alone that have been banned, not to count all the others who haven't posted or are on other forums.... the connection between every single person so far is they are affiliated.....

4.) you're an idiot regarding the car/glitch comparison, i am right and you are wrong, i cant think of a more simple way to put it

Sure you are right.
This are all the things you say, yet no proof.
I am not the one got banned. You are

Bottom line is at 888 you are guilty until proven innocent, except they provide no avenue to prove your innocence, and they confiscate your money at the same time. What a premier legit site to play on! (NOT!!)

Thefly: you should understand at this point probably NOT 888 is guilty in this case. So many 'random' connections in this topic...

I might need an autism translator to understand your post, unless English is your second language. Also I assume you graduated kindergarten, so no need to use multi colors like crayons in your 14 posts and counting.

Look you're not onto any conspiracy here. You're just being ****ing stupid.

I got the same email a couple of month ago, and I dont know anyone at 888, I have no affiliate etc. I even have a ****ing video on pokervip where I play on 888 and explain my thought process. I got freed after a week, and I was 100% innocent. Since it happened me I am 100% sure it can happen to anyone. Hence, it's very likely a vast majority who posted are innocent.

So stfu with this ****ing nonsense, and talk about the real issue: 888 are stealing from innocents and are refusing to answer any emails. Even the ****ing 888 rep here on 2p2 just ignores and acts like didnt he see anything.

You do realize 888 is incompetent as ****, right Tell me, what is your purpose of trolling this thread? What do you gain by it? Don't you realize that the poker ecosystem is fragile enough, that we do not need an extremely dubious site like 888 randomly banning players without explanation

When a Swede goes off on you, you should know you've become stupid beyond belief.

It should be pretty obvious this is the case, so this seems pretty unnecessary.

But you're spot on here. The colours, bolding, underlining, is more distracting than helpful.

Also, donkstacker, enough with the profanity filter circumventions. Type what you want to say, and if it gets filtered, that's because the site management wants it that way.

Definitely a point worth considering.

Good thing to know this site protect cheaters like mixgrill. Staff even moderate my posts about it. Very good. I would say state of online poker. Unfortunately most of the guys(more than 50%) who are still in online poker business 2017 are in some sort of fraud/cheating.

If someone use colors=autist. Well done. Thats a good argument, good thing I do not give any weight to people's words who are cheaters, or have 2 dimensional life. You dont need to answer any of the stuff, just attack the person who ask it.

GG guys.

I don't know what's more impressive - your exquisite detective work to figure out mixgrill is a cheat, or your artistic use of colours in posts.

WP