888poker banning winning players WITHOUT proof
04-09-2020
, 07:27 PM
05-23-2020
, 11:11 AM
Hello, fellow colleagues!
I am quite fed up with this whole situation by now (this happened a little over 2 months ago, I didn't make it public earlier as eCOGRA had a suggestion not to do so while they are looking into the dispute), but I feel obligated to raise public awareness about this surreal incident due to the obvious nature of knowingly abuse winning regs (and apparently also ppl attempting to become a winning poker player, as in my case). A bit lazily, I just copy my last compilation about the incident sent to eCOGRA:
(Yes, the eCOGRA-phase is a joke, and I feel like an idiot for putting this kind of effort into the procedure. They simply copy the side of 888poker and state that they (888poker) have acted according to their T&C, lol.
It seems very similar to what we have in Finland around our gambling monopoly (Veikkaus), where the same instances that are supervising the operation of the gambling monopoly are also receiving their funding from the operation of the gambling monopoly. Yeah, quite surprisingly this does not lead to objective evaluations on how beneficial it is overall for us to have a gambling monopoly in the first place... I should also note that this is like 10th e-mail regarding the incident, and therefore my argumentation might not seem very solid without the prior context in some places, and I was kind of desperate at this point already.)
"Dear XXX,
Did you even read my messages? Well, I guess shame on me for putting the effort into this procedure, as I had already familiarized myself with the potential obstacles for the ADR to operate objectively in disputes between operators and customers. Even with the risk of stepping into the same mine once again, let’s give it one more go. Writing this took me nearly the hours equivalent of a full working day – I appeal to you as a person to person, please, do not ignore and send me the automatic response consisting of basic jargon.
If you care to enlighten yourself about one of the biggest fraud-attempts in this century, I have collected the following links as evidence for my claims about the wider context of ban-waves (targeting winning players with made-up allegations) being executed by this trustworthy operator of ours. I claim that these are relevant also for evaluating their judgment on my individual case. The internet would not be full of incredulous customers claiming to be the subject of an unreasonable ban by 888poker if there was not something shady behind these cases. There is nothing similar even close to this extent concerning other poker operators.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...proof-1765343/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...anwave1682200/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...eason-1712724/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...olved-1702035/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...olved-1679594/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=300
https://professionalrakeback.com/888...l-intelligence
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...poker-1756303/
Due to the absurdness of the claim (and the rather obvious real motive behind the action) to a beginning poker player like I am, who somehow managed to win a few hundred dollars in the first month of working, I have not seen any light in taking a part to play this game with the arbitrary allegations made by 888poker. I wrote the following storyline to prevent the potential TLDR-issues involved with my previous PDF-file. Hopefully, this will be able to summarize this surreal incident slightly.
-Hahaa, you’re guilty! Feel free to prove otherwise. (888p)
-Wow, wait what? Okay, sure, shouldn’t be a problem as I have nothing to do with the accusation, and seems really weird in the first place to suspect a beginning poker player for something like this. (me)
-Hmm. Wait, how did I provide evidence about something that has not happened? (me)
-Silence. (888p)
-Okay. Maybe I’ll try to explain a little something about my background and what I am trying to achieve with my poker playing to point out how absurd this is from my perspective. Probably this will help them to notice that an obvious mistake has occurred. (me)
-We have reviewed your account again, and … you’re guilty! If you are not satisfied with this, you can send a resolution form to eCOGRA. (888p)
-Hey, okay what the hell is going on here? Could you elaborate on how this decision has been reached? Could you provide me any information about the incident, so I would be able to figure out what kind of evidence could I possibly provide here? (me)
-Silence. (888p)
(-Hmm. Ok, something doesn’t smell right here. Why are they not interested in hearing my side nor even bothering to communicate with me? Should I begin to worry that I am not getting a justified treatment regarding this incident? Despite the obvious innocence, should I prepare for potential financial losses after all?) [me thinking.]
<Nearly 2 weeks gone from the incident, and still being kept in the dark. -> Decide to begin research to find out what on earth might be going on here. Finding more and more posts concerning questionable massbans executed by 888poker, and finally starting to figure out the issue in a wider context.>
(-Ok. This cannot be sensible from a business point of view. Furthermore, it is very unethical and immoral. Wouldn’t this have to be even illegal to operate in this way? Why would they be acting like this? They can’t get away with it, can they. Could they? Nah, it just cannot be possible. This would be against the basic principles of modern societies.) [me thinking.]
-Okay. So, I might begin to form some understanding of what is going on here. Very, very questionable operation, but ok, just send me my funds and I’ll move on with my life. (me)
-Your withdrawal of 1090 dollars have been approved! (888p)
[Additional note: A bit weirdly, in the later HTML I received from 888poker, it appeared that they would also have responded to me at this instance to notify that my deposits have been returned (alongside some additional jargon). I have not received this e-mail, but probably there is some logical explanation here, and I have no reason to get paranoid about this odd detail. Their only motivation could be to represent that they were actually communicating with me, but as that ship has sailed weeks ago, it does not seem that reasonable to suspect that.]
-Wow. This was a sudden step of progress to receive a part of my funds after 2 weeks and dozens of hours spent on the battle! I’d like to withdraw also the remaining funds (400+ dollars) from my account. Also, I
would appreciate a clarification on what happened to the ongoing and upcoming tournaments, in which I had registered while my account suddenly got ‘temporarily disabled’ without prior notice. (me)
-The decision to close your account is permanent. Boom … you’re guilty! We do not really have to explain our decisions at all. (888p)
-Okay. Now I’ve had it. Alongside the remaining funds on my account, I demand some additional compensation for being targeted by a scam-attempt of this kind. (me)
-Silence. (888p)
Well, while we are at it, why wouldn’t I also give an attempt to play this silly game set up by 888poker (try to provide evidence of absence). Let’s see where my imagination gets me here. Maybe this is the beginning of a scientific breakthrough regarding this issue! It seems that it can be divided into two allegations now. I will start with this new one that I found out in the dispute investigation of eCOGRA. Seriously, where do they come up with these? Furthermore, why was I not notified about this earlier? Did they feel that they have to come up with some additional made-up evidence, as my lack of success in being a profitable poker player is a pretty tough starting point for the alleged use of an AI?
So, the accusation in question is the following: “Upon further review of Mr. XXX’s account, 888 Poker found that Mr. XXX’s account was linked to another player via several identifiers.” Well, this is a weird accusation indeed, as I have never been in contact with a single poker player in my life (apart from in-game chatting with some random players starting a conversation at 888poker). My imagination does not provide assistance to defend myself with this absurd and hastily made excuse which is being used here as additional made-up evidence. If I did not have solid grounds to question the credibility of these allegations, I should probably be concerned that my laptop has been hacked, lol. This made me a bit curious though, what are these several identifiers they are referring to? Why are they not obliged to provide any basis for these claims? They can just pick up a random accusation, and once they have declared it, it is considered as the truth? Furthermore, shouldn’t I be legally entitled in seeing what kind of data they are storing of me based on confidentiality clauses? Could you assist me at least in getting access to this? I would also appreciate a comment about the lack of basis for the claims offered in this dispute investigation.
Let’s get then to the, what can be called the main accusation, of the suspected usage of an Artificial intelligence. Writing down that side note about in-game chatting earlier gave me an epiphany. I am pretty sure that every time a random player started a conversation with me, I have responded something to them. If a certain operator had an interest in finding out whether an account was operated by a living person or an AI, they could check through these message logs in their attempt to figure out the truth. What an advanced poker-bot/AI that is capable of chatting with living persons while “crushing” the games, what do you think?
As I have not been informed anything about the basis for these accusations, this is purely my guessing, once again. But as a new poker player, my poker decisions are, to be honest, pretty average if not even rather poor, at least from time to time. My “work-experience” as sports-betting investor and education in economics, as well as the fact that I have read quite a lot about the theory of poker in the recent months, however, gives me an alright starting point for my poker-career. Wouldn’t a full month of working resulting in a profit of 400 dollars indicate pretty much the situation that I am describing? Although, as recently graduated M Sc. of Economics, my “opportunity costs” are probably something like 3-4k dollars, which I would be earning in the working life, I am quite satisfied in the first month’s attempt of playing poker professionally. However, with this sample size, I am very skeptical, how much of the result can be asserted to skill rather than just being lucky. Taking my mediocre success into account, I would be amazed if this would be used as the basis of this allegation of the usage of an AI. By my reasoning, the most likely basis they are going to use is something like inhumanely long playing hours in some individual time interval(s). Therefore, the fact that I have responded in the in-game chat would prove my innocence! Yeah, I know that it is kind of far-fetched, but you have to understand the situation that I have been put in here.
Of course, now that I am defending myself in advance from this angle, I probably should be expecting something entirely else. They seem to be pretty resourceful with these allegations, I see. What else? How could I possibly provide evidence of absence? I read that some other poker operators are asking players to capture their playing on video. I have come to the understanding, that this allows them to conclude whether these “suspicious gaming patterns” are indeed due to the involvement of an AI or not. I am naturally willing to provide also evidence of this kind if given the opportunity. I can play a session matching the longest hours they have recorded from my account in 888poker and comment on my thought-process in every situation. I could gladly do this even multiple times – this might serve as a good way to improve my game as a side bonus!
Furthermore, I am willing to let my laptop to be investigated (if this can be arranged to be executed in a reasonable way) or agreeing to any kind of measures that would help in providing evidence of my innocence. I would appreciate it very much if someone pointed out what kind of evidence can be provided in a situation like this.
As concluding remarks, perhaps I should be relieved and feel some sense of community for not being the only person to be targeted by this theft-attempt, but this is altogether a bit troubling that a company even makes an attempt to operate this way in today’s world. Well, I am quite confident that we can unite among the other players and it will eventually lead us to get justice regarding these fraud-attempts. I understand that you are personally in kind of a tough spot here. I would greatly appreciate if I got any kind of advice regarding this incident, even “off the record”. I give my word that I will not use the assistance for my benefit in the further phases of my appeal to authorities, if it may cause any negative effect for you personally (considering the potential conflicts with your employer etc). Where are (and have) other players turned to seek justice with these frauds? I am thinking of going to use the European Commission’s dispute resolution form next. Do you have any experience or knowledge from this procedure? If you have read the writing this far, I would be amazed if it wasn’t obvious at this point that this is not a writing of a person guilty for the alleged accusations. If I am not correct, I need to seriously improve my articulacy. Thank you in advance, and any kind of assistance will be appreciated regarding this surreal incident!
Kind regards,
XXX"
It seems that stories similar to this are a bit divided in 2+2, and I was unsure of which thread I should post this one. Maybe these should be compiled into one thread? This post could be as well shifted or copied to the 888poker "Mass" Banwave -thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...nwave-1682200/.
As also this thread faded quite quickly, I am not anymore as optimistic that 888poker is going the get held accountable for these scam-attempts as I was in that quoted post. It appears that their strategy is working after all, and ppl will get tired of fighting against the bureaucracy, as they have also the eCOGRA-shelter, which provides an illusion of objective evaluation for these "disputes" (theft-attempts). So they might be getting away with coming up with made-up allegations to get rid of winning regs, and in most of the cases also successfully confiscating at least a part of their funds? What should we do, or is there anything that we can do?
In my case, the cloud has a silver lining, as I was not too successful in my early poker-career, and didn't manage to win a considerable amount during the first month of playing poker (with a professional approach). So, I don't really even care about the remaining confiscated funds. I wouldn't even settle in only receiving them back. In such an obvious scam-attempt, the situation cannot be that they first try to steal 1500+ dollars, and if they do not succeed they return a part or all of it, but capped in such a way that they cannot lose anything? What makes me outrageous, is the way they handled the situation, and that they seem to be getting away with that kind of operation. It cannot be possible for a company listed on the London Stock Exchange to operate like this.
I hesitated on posting this to this forum because this will only help 888poker in their agenda of getting rid of winning players. Any idea where could I share this post that it actually would not just help their case? Or the recreational players just don't care as this isn't really any of their concern? Well, if this helps even one person to avoid getting abused by 888poker, I guess it is worth it. I must say that the field is indeed very soft (yeah, what would you expect banning winning regs is going to do for the recreational/reg -ratio..) and I guess that this soft field could be taken advantage of by withdrawing your winnings right away. However, you should consider the pretty high risk-factor of getting your funds confiscated when evaluating the EV of playing on 888poker.
Without any mentionable success, I've been pondering what could be their motivation behind this very unethical and immoral operation. It doesn't really open up for an economist, how does decreasing traffic (banning winning regs) in a zero-sum game, in which you charge a constant fee, become a good business plan? Does anyone have any ideas? Are they just going towards bankruptcy, or would discriminating their customers to consist only of recreational players indeed increase their profits in the long run?
I am quite fed up with this whole situation by now (this happened a little over 2 months ago, I didn't make it public earlier as eCOGRA had a suggestion not to do so while they are looking into the dispute), but I feel obligated to raise public awareness about this surreal incident due to the obvious nature of knowingly abuse winning regs (and apparently also ppl attempting to become a winning poker player, as in my case). A bit lazily, I just copy my last compilation about the incident sent to eCOGRA:
(Yes, the eCOGRA-phase is a joke, and I feel like an idiot for putting this kind of effort into the procedure. They simply copy the side of 888poker and state that they (888poker) have acted according to their T&C, lol.
It seems very similar to what we have in Finland around our gambling monopoly (Veikkaus), where the same instances that are supervising the operation of the gambling monopoly are also receiving their funding from the operation of the gambling monopoly. Yeah, quite surprisingly this does not lead to objective evaluations on how beneficial it is overall for us to have a gambling monopoly in the first place... I should also note that this is like 10th e-mail regarding the incident, and therefore my argumentation might not seem very solid without the prior context in some places, and I was kind of desperate at this point already.) "Dear XXX,
Did you even read my messages? Well, I guess shame on me for putting the effort into this procedure, as I had already familiarized myself with the potential obstacles for the ADR to operate objectively in disputes between operators and customers. Even with the risk of stepping into the same mine once again, let’s give it one more go. Writing this took me nearly the hours equivalent of a full working day – I appeal to you as a person to person, please, do not ignore and send me the automatic response consisting of basic jargon.
If you care to enlighten yourself about one of the biggest fraud-attempts in this century, I have collected the following links as evidence for my claims about the wider context of ban-waves (targeting winning players with made-up allegations) being executed by this trustworthy operator of ours. I claim that these are relevant also for evaluating their judgment on my individual case. The internet would not be full of incredulous customers claiming to be the subject of an unreasonable ban by 888poker if there was not something shady behind these cases. There is nothing similar even close to this extent concerning other poker operators.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...proof-1765343/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...anwave1682200/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...eason-1712724/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...olved-1702035/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...olved-1679594/
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=300
https://professionalrakeback.com/888...l-intelligence
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...poker-1756303/
Due to the absurdness of the claim (and the rather obvious real motive behind the action) to a beginning poker player like I am, who somehow managed to win a few hundred dollars in the first month of working, I have not seen any light in taking a part to play this game with the arbitrary allegations made by 888poker. I wrote the following storyline to prevent the potential TLDR-issues involved with my previous PDF-file. Hopefully, this will be able to summarize this surreal incident slightly.
-Hahaa, you’re guilty! Feel free to prove otherwise. (888p)
-Wow, wait what? Okay, sure, shouldn’t be a problem as I have nothing to do with the accusation, and seems really weird in the first place to suspect a beginning poker player for something like this. (me)
-Hmm. Wait, how did I provide evidence about something that has not happened? (me)
-Silence. (888p)
-Okay. Maybe I’ll try to explain a little something about my background and what I am trying to achieve with my poker playing to point out how absurd this is from my perspective. Probably this will help them to notice that an obvious mistake has occurred. (me)
-We have reviewed your account again, and … you’re guilty! If you are not satisfied with this, you can send a resolution form to eCOGRA. (888p)
-Hey, okay what the hell is going on here? Could you elaborate on how this decision has been reached? Could you provide me any information about the incident, so I would be able to figure out what kind of evidence could I possibly provide here? (me)
-Silence. (888p)
(-Hmm. Ok, something doesn’t smell right here. Why are they not interested in hearing my side nor even bothering to communicate with me? Should I begin to worry that I am not getting a justified treatment regarding this incident? Despite the obvious innocence, should I prepare for potential financial losses after all?) [me thinking.]
<Nearly 2 weeks gone from the incident, and still being kept in the dark. -> Decide to begin research to find out what on earth might be going on here. Finding more and more posts concerning questionable massbans executed by 888poker, and finally starting to figure out the issue in a wider context.>
(-Ok. This cannot be sensible from a business point of view. Furthermore, it is very unethical and immoral. Wouldn’t this have to be even illegal to operate in this way? Why would they be acting like this? They can’t get away with it, can they. Could they? Nah, it just cannot be possible. This would be against the basic principles of modern societies.) [me thinking.]
-Okay. So, I might begin to form some understanding of what is going on here. Very, very questionable operation, but ok, just send me my funds and I’ll move on with my life. (me)
-Your withdrawal of 1090 dollars have been approved! (888p)
[Additional note: A bit weirdly, in the later HTML I received from 888poker, it appeared that they would also have responded to me at this instance to notify that my deposits have been returned (alongside some additional jargon). I have not received this e-mail, but probably there is some logical explanation here, and I have no reason to get paranoid about this odd detail. Their only motivation could be to represent that they were actually communicating with me, but as that ship has sailed weeks ago, it does not seem that reasonable to suspect that.]
-Wow. This was a sudden step of progress to receive a part of my funds after 2 weeks and dozens of hours spent on the battle! I’d like to withdraw also the remaining funds (400+ dollars) from my account. Also, I
would appreciate a clarification on what happened to the ongoing and upcoming tournaments, in which I had registered while my account suddenly got ‘temporarily disabled’ without prior notice. (me)
-The decision to close your account is permanent. Boom … you’re guilty! We do not really have to explain our decisions at all. (888p)
-Okay. Now I’ve had it. Alongside the remaining funds on my account, I demand some additional compensation for being targeted by a scam-attempt of this kind. (me)
-Silence. (888p)
Well, while we are at it, why wouldn’t I also give an attempt to play this silly game set up by 888poker (try to provide evidence of absence). Let’s see where my imagination gets me here. Maybe this is the beginning of a scientific breakthrough regarding this issue! It seems that it can be divided into two allegations now. I will start with this new one that I found out in the dispute investigation of eCOGRA. Seriously, where do they come up with these?
Furthermore, why was I not notified about this earlier? Did they feel that they have to come up with some additional made-up evidence, as my lack of success in being a profitable poker player is a pretty tough starting point for the alleged use of an AI? So, the accusation in question is the following: “Upon further review of Mr. XXX’s account, 888 Poker found that Mr. XXX’s account was linked to another player via several identifiers.” Well, this is a weird accusation indeed, as I have never been in contact with a single poker player in my life (apart from in-game chatting with some random players starting a conversation at 888poker). My imagination does not provide assistance to defend myself with this absurd and hastily made excuse which is being used here as additional made-up evidence. If I did not have solid grounds to question the credibility of these allegations, I should probably be concerned that my laptop has been hacked, lol. This made me a bit curious though, what are these several identifiers they are referring to? Why are they not obliged to provide any basis for these claims? They can just pick up a random accusation, and once they have declared it, it is considered as the truth? Furthermore, shouldn’t I be legally entitled in seeing what kind of data they are storing of me based on confidentiality clauses? Could you assist me at least in getting access to this? I would also appreciate a comment about the lack of basis for the claims offered in this dispute investigation.
Let’s get then to the, what can be called the main accusation, of the suspected usage of an Artificial intelligence. Writing down that side note about in-game chatting earlier gave me an epiphany. I am pretty sure that every time a random player started a conversation with me, I have responded something to them. If a certain operator had an interest in finding out whether an account was operated by a living person or an AI, they could check through these message logs in their attempt to figure out the truth. What an advanced poker-bot/AI that is capable of chatting with living persons while “crushing” the games, what do you think?
As I have not been informed anything about the basis for these accusations, this is purely my guessing, once again. But as a new poker player, my poker decisions are, to be honest, pretty average if not even rather poor, at least from time to time. My “work-experience” as sports-betting investor and education in economics, as well as the fact that I have read quite a lot about the theory of poker in the recent months, however, gives me an alright starting point for my poker-career. Wouldn’t a full month of working resulting in a profit of 400 dollars indicate pretty much the situation that I am describing? Although, as recently graduated M Sc. of Economics, my “opportunity costs” are probably something like 3-4k dollars, which I would be earning in the working life, I am quite satisfied in the first month’s attempt of playing poker professionally. However, with this sample size, I am very skeptical, how much of the result can be asserted to skill rather than just being lucky. Taking my mediocre success into account, I would be amazed if this would be used as the basis of this allegation of the usage of an AI. By my reasoning, the most likely basis they are going to use is something like inhumanely long playing hours in some individual time interval(s). Therefore, the fact that I have responded in the in-game chat would prove my innocence! Yeah, I know that it is kind of far-fetched, but you have to understand the situation that I have been put in here.
Of course, now that I am defending myself in advance from this angle, I probably should be expecting something entirely else. They seem to be pretty resourceful with these allegations, I see. What else? How could I possibly provide evidence of absence? I read that some other poker operators are asking players to capture their playing on video. I have come to the understanding, that this allows them to conclude whether these “suspicious gaming patterns” are indeed due to the involvement of an AI or not. I am naturally willing to provide also evidence of this kind if given the opportunity. I can play a session matching the longest hours they have recorded from my account in 888poker and comment on my thought-process in every situation. I could gladly do this even multiple times – this might serve as a good way to improve my game as a side bonus!
Furthermore, I am willing to let my laptop to be investigated (if this can be arranged to be executed in a reasonable way) or agreeing to any kind of measures that would help in providing evidence of my innocence. I would appreciate it very much if someone pointed out what kind of evidence can be provided in a situation like this. As concluding remarks, perhaps I should be relieved and feel some sense of community for not being the only person to be targeted by this theft-attempt, but this is altogether a bit troubling that a company even makes an attempt to operate this way in today’s world. Well, I am quite confident that we can unite among the other players and it will eventually lead us to get justice regarding these fraud-attempts. I understand that you are personally in kind of a tough spot here. I would greatly appreciate if I got any kind of advice regarding this incident, even “off the record”. I give my word that I will not use the assistance for my benefit in the further phases of my appeal to authorities, if it may cause any negative effect for you personally (considering the potential conflicts with your employer etc). Where are (and have) other players turned to seek justice with these frauds? I am thinking of going to use the European Commission’s dispute resolution form next. Do you have any experience or knowledge from this procedure? If you have read the writing this far, I would be amazed if it wasn’t obvious at this point that this is not a writing of a person guilty for the alleged accusations. If I am not correct, I need to seriously improve my articulacy. Thank you in advance, and any kind of assistance will be appreciated regarding this surreal incident!
Kind regards,
XXX"
It seems that stories similar to this are a bit divided in 2+2, and I was unsure of which thread I should post this one. Maybe these should be compiled into one thread? This post could be as well shifted or copied to the 888poker "Mass" Banwave -thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...nwave-1682200/.
As also this thread faded quite quickly, I am not anymore as optimistic that 888poker is going the get held accountable for these scam-attempts as I was in that quoted post. It appears that their strategy is working after all, and ppl will get tired of fighting against the bureaucracy, as they have also the eCOGRA-shelter, which provides an illusion of objective evaluation for these "disputes" (theft-attempts). So they might be getting away with coming up with made-up allegations to get rid of winning regs, and in most of the cases also successfully confiscating at least a part of their funds? What should we do, or is there anything that we can do?
In my case, the cloud has a silver lining, as I was not too successful in my early poker-career, and didn't manage to win a considerable amount during the first month of playing poker (with a professional approach). So, I don't really even care about the remaining confiscated funds. I wouldn't even settle in only receiving them back. In such an obvious scam-attempt, the situation cannot be that they first try to steal 1500+ dollars, and if they do not succeed they return a part or all of it, but capped in such a way that they cannot lose anything? What makes me outrageous, is the way they handled the situation, and that they seem to be getting away with that kind of operation. It cannot be possible for a company listed on the London Stock Exchange to operate like this.
I hesitated on posting this to this forum because this will only help 888poker in their agenda of getting rid of winning players. Any idea where could I share this post that it actually would not just help their case? Or the recreational players just don't care as this isn't really any of their concern? Well, if this helps even one person to avoid getting abused by 888poker, I guess it is worth it. I must say that the field is indeed very soft (yeah, what would you expect banning winning regs is going to do for the recreational/reg -ratio..) and I guess that this soft field could be taken advantage of by withdrawing your winnings right away. However, you should consider the pretty high risk-factor of getting your funds confiscated when evaluating the EV of playing on 888poker.
Without any mentionable success, I've been pondering what could be their motivation behind this very unethical and immoral operation. It doesn't really open up for an economist, how does decreasing traffic (banning winning regs) in a zero-sum game, in which you charge a constant fee, become a good business plan? Does anyone have any ideas? Are they just going towards bankruptcy, or would discriminating their customers to consist only of recreational players indeed increase their profits in the long run?