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Originally Posted by amazinmets73
Elbow room aside, do you see why 9-handed is preferable?
If this is the core of your argument, may as well play with 22 players sitting on really long benches. After all, at the cost of some comfort, think of how much rake the players would be saving! Due to the reduced rake burden, losing players would also lose more slowly and be able to stay in the games for longer!
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This is not sarcasm or bad faith. It's me pointing out why this is a shortsighted and super dumb argument,
with the exact same logic you are using. Slight changes in rake burden are simply not the only relevant factor in live poker. And they're certainly not a major argument when discussing 9 vs 8 handed games.
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BTW, you've never addressed the issue of losing players curtailing their play due to a system that is considerably more exploitative. Do you care to?
Yeah man, I'm sure bad players will quit so much faster because an invisible rake burden goes up by 5% and they're more comfortable at the table.
Delusion.
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Simple question: Do you believe a structure that is more costly to players on average is good, bad or neutral to the poker ecosystem?
Obviously, bad. I would be happy if live poker rooms reduced rake. It would be best for the players if games were rake free (and the casino still ran them, somehow). But caring excessively about marginal rake differences and not at all about any of the other factors is absurd, and that's the only leg you're trying to stand on.
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Originally Posted by RICK
Your assumptions are stupid. You're looking at it wrong. I don't want to bother trying to explain it to you I'll just point you to the most extreme example of your scenario, heads up. Also where I play rake is fixed so put that into your calculus as well. Is heads up poker with a $7 rake every hand beatable? Duh, no it's not. 9 handed poker with $7 rake beatable? Yes.
I literally addressed this idea specifically in the post directly above yours. Try reading before you say my assumptions are stupid, please.
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Originally Posted by me
I don't think the same is true considering 5 or 6max live games, where rake burden gets substantially higher and games will run into frequent logistical issues.
same obviously goes for games shorter than 5max as well. But, shockingly, these things aren't big issues at all when discussing 9 max to 8max.
Last edited by Duncelanas; 12-15-2022 at 04:18 PM.