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Old 03-29-2018, 06:54 PM   #551
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Re: 44bars wins 3 of the first 6 Boss Events on Americas Cardroom

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Fair enough, I wasn't saying they are for sure cheating, just seems a little unrealistic numbers but I could be wrong.

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Ali also won the PCA for 160k recently..
must of cheated then also?

Or the 10k's he's firing live...


Must be cheating everywhere...

sike.

I know Ali, he's from my same town and I have some mutual connections.

He's a good guy and he work's his ass off on the game.
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Old 03-29-2018, 07:37 PM   #552
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Ali also won the PCA for 160k recently..
must of cheated then also?

Or the 10k's he's firing live...


Must be cheating everywhere...

sike.

I know Ali, he's from my same town and I have some mutual connections.

He's a good guy and he work's his ass off on the game.
If that's true I stand corrected, but like I said I wasn't trying to accuse them of cheating. The other guy brought his name up not me I just posted the stats.

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Old 03-30-2018, 11:38 AM   #553
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If that's true I stand corrected, but like I said I wasn't trying to accuse them of cheating. The other guy brought his name up not me I just posted the stats.

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This is the whole problem in itself.

If you took 5 minutes and actually googled who Ali was, you'd know.

That's the whole problem with these allegations in the first place..
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Old 03-30-2018, 12:59 PM   #554
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Re: 44bars wins 3 of the first 6 Boss Events on Americas Cardroom

lol @roi talk with 275 tournaments sample
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:18 PM   #555
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Re: 44bars wins 3 of the first 6 Boss Events on Americas Cardroom

I haven't looked much at the thread or his stats since the OP posted.

between Joey's findings on the non existent WPN security team and WPN's lack of transparency I would suggest something fishy.

Not sure if superusing, MAing(most likely), or whatever other flaw this GOOD player has found but its most likely not clean genuine play. Regardless he's ahead of some curve in either play/software/ or both.
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Old 04-01-2018, 07:50 PM   #556
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its far more likely that he has a source for HH databases and just has every single hand you've ever played on WPN in his PT4/HEM2.
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Old 04-02-2018, 10:19 AM   #557
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It's not at all likely that he is pretty good at poker and probably running hot?
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Old 04-02-2018, 11:28 AM   #558
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Not sure if superusing, MAing(most likely)
MA'ing doesn't have anything to do with it, because in MTT's that wouldn't explain extraordinary results of one alias.
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Old 04-02-2018, 11:47 AM   #559
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MA'ing doesn't have anything to do with it, because in MTT's that wouldn't explain extraordinary results of one alias.


Well, just in theory, if all the MAís are trying to dump chips to the main account, then that would be a huge advantage. This would not be likely though, since it would be easy to document with full hand histories that include losing cards on the river.

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Old 04-02-2018, 12:02 PM   #560
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Well, just in theory, if all the MAís are trying to dump chips to the main account, then that would be a huge advantage. This would not be likely though, since it would be easy to document with full hand histories that include losing cards on the river.

-Whoops!
I never play on ACR so I don't know how big the fields are, but the odds that you end up on the same table probably hardly make this worthwhile. Also anyone applying such a strategy wouldn't always dump other stacks to the same alias so to not get noticed.
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Old 04-02-2018, 12:15 PM   #561
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Before they changed it they had a late register thing going where if 8 accounts entered the tourney at the same time during late reg. then they'd end up on the same table. Seems super easy to chip dump that way. I have no clue what's up with 44bars but the possibility was there.
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Old 04-02-2018, 12:32 PM   #562
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Before they changed it they had a late register thing going where if 8 accounts entered the tourney at the same time during late reg. then they'd end up on the same table. Seems super easy to chip dump that way. I have no clue what's up with 44bars but the possibility was there.
I thought the complaint was that seating glitch allowed a team of late registers to coast into the money, the opposite of what you postulate now.

In any event, the seating for late registrations was revised, so it would have no bearing since then, correct ?
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Old 04-02-2018, 12:39 PM   #563
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I thought the complaint was that seating glitch allowed a team of late registers to coast into the money, the opposite of what you postulate now.

In any event, the seating for late registrations was revised, so it would have no bearing since then, correct ?
The complaint was that the seating glitch could allow a team of late reggers to all join the same table at the same time and stall to the money. Nothing is stopping them from chip dumping once ITM.

And yeah, from what I heard they fixed the ate reg bug. Unfortunately, they don't seem to care about the other problems with the network. For 5 years now ACR has promised that mucked cards at showdown will be added soon. Maybe it takes 6 years to develop that? idk, I'm no expert.

But without being able to see mucked cards at the river there is no way for players to try and monitor collusion/chip dumping. Maybe WPN likes it that way. Or maybe they are just incredibly incompetent. Either one seems equally likely
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Old 04-02-2018, 01:05 PM   #564
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The complaint was that the seating glitch could allow a team of late reggers to all join the same table at the same time and stall to the money. Nothing is stopping them from chip dumping once ITM....
I do not recall anything about late registration "team play" beyond coasting/stalling into the money, which is why I thought Rich, and you, are simply slinging mud at some hypothetical dredged from the past. Also, "something" would be stopping the sort of "team chip dumping" you still postulate could be going on currently, the inability to late reg and sit together as a team in the first place.

You complain about not showing hole cards in hand histories which were mucked during actual play ? That is something I'd like to understand; I am curious, does that relate to only losing hands which were called at showdown or to all hole cards regardless of when they were mucked in a hand ?

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Old 04-02-2018, 01:20 PM   #565
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I do not recall anything about late registration "team play" beyond coasting/stalling into the money, which is why I thought Rich, and you, are simply slinging mud at some hypothetical dredged from the past. Also, "something" would be stopping the sort of "team chip dumping" you still postulate could be going on currently, the inability to late reg and sit together as a team in the first place.
My post should have said "Nothing was stopping them from chip dumping once ITM." I acknowledged that the late reg issue is fixed, and I didn't postulate that this is ongoing. I did state that chip dumping can still occur, albeit less easily/frequently, because players can't see mucked hands at showdown, an issue that WPN has said time and time again they have a fix for "soon".


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You complain about not showing hole cards in hand histories which were mucked during actual play ? That is something I'd like to understand; I am curious, does that relate to only losing hands which were called at showdown or to all hole cards regardless of when they were mucked in a hand ?
Obviously I am referring to losing hands that call at showdown. From what I understand, WPN is unique in now allowing players to see mucked losing hands at showdown. Every other poker site that has ever existed over the last 2 decades (AFAIK) allows players to see mucked losing hands at showdown - why not WPN?

Incompetence seemed like an ok excuse 5 years ago, but does it really take that many years to implement a feature that is standard across the entire industry?
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Old 04-02-2018, 02:28 PM   #566
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Ya the mucked hands thing is messed up. It makes it really hard for players to identify a variety of cheaters. It's almost like they don't mind the rake from bots. It would also help identifying colluders and superusers, although as far as I've seen there is no evidence of superusers but enough to think that bots are common and colluding does happen here and there.
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:58 AM   #567
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Well, just in theory, if all the MAís are trying to dump chips to the main account, then that would be a huge advantage. This would not be likely though, since it would be easy to document with full hand histories that include losing cards on the river.

-Whoops!
Someone made quite an oopsie the other day in the Early special and it was pretty hilarious. apex predator2018 chip dumped to himself. The second account snap called off river for like 50bbs with 33 on a A K K 9 4 board... Yeah... 3 accounts all in the same tournament, all accounts created within the same day. Each account has different locations but trust that it's the same person. I realize this is the tip of the iceberg, I just thought it was pretty funny. The only thing I wonder is how long hes been doing this without making the oopsies
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Old Today, 08:11 AM   #568
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Re: 44bars wins 3 of the first 6 Boss Events on Americas Cardroom

For all of you who play in ACR, the player who uses to play under the nickname "44bars" is now "dropdeed" and his friend "xxxBlackJackxxx" is "MarioKart54" , you will often see them playing on same tables
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Old Today, 11:10 AM   #569
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Dropdeed has been on ACR for a really long time. He was on there prior to the 44bars fiasco. I don't think they are the same person.
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Old Today, 03:49 PM   #570
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Was it ?

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Old Today, 04:25 PM   #571
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Re: 44bars wins 3 of the first 6 Boss Events on Americas Cardroom

What does that tell you ? Why do you think itís them?
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Old Today, 04:34 PM   #572
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What does that tell you ? Why do you think itís them?
I think he is replying to the previous post. THe guy said the other account has been on ACR for a super long time, and he screen shot the account as only being on ACR since April, and 44bars has been on ACR much earlier than that.
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Old Today, 04:44 PM   #573
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Indeed i was replying to the other guy, and i don't think it's them, i am 100% sure.
Anyway just come to teel to whoever play with them day to day, so they know that they keep doing the same **** they did before by colluding and card sharing, and wont get too much deeper on this, because it will take no where like it always, just felt the right thing to do to tell.
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Old Today, 05:14 PM   #574
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Whoops! My bad I thought I saw them before.
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