Does the behavior of interest rates over the last ten years provide clues as to whether they might go up in the future and whether you should lock in a loan now before terms become less favorable or if you can afford to wait and be more picky?

Crime should be expected to go up over the past couple of years as society reopens and there are more opportunities for crime. The most obvious example is that school shootings should be massively up if you compare a time when schools have reopened to a time when most schools were closed.

The pandemic created a lot of outlier stats. If we're looking at trends and whether we should be alarmed by increases or decreases (or lack thereof), we should see whether the pandemic affected things and if we should be including pre-pandemic numbers in our analysis. I would argue that we should in the case of crime rates.

Wow! Are you really that dense and humorless. If you think my volcano comment impolite esp by internet standards I am not sure what to think. But okay here comes a little education. There is nothing to look up. It is now and for the next few million years until rain and wind erode it away a volcano. It can’t become a former volcano as long as it exists; no way to un-volcano. Eventually will go dormant, possibly already is considered such. Then eventually extinct. But through all these stages it is and remains a volcano. So it is beyond silly to mention even the concept of looking it up. (There you go. Your thin skin can now properly feel bruised.)

Now onto the moron comment, one outlier event should not be considered a trend. The odds of such event are likely unchanged by any significance. The tails of distributions are not moved by a single event. It is simplistic to use such edge cases to justify

Btw. There is no decision anyone must make if the perp left chips on the table. I am positive the casino has policy and procedures in place for player chips left on the table. There are numerous ways this happens. I am highly certain that procedure is to pick up the chips with witnesses to the amount and hold them for the player. Since this players ID is known, the question becomes how are they returned. If not he is not in jail, I assume he is banned from the casino, so how are the funds returned. But again, likely already a procedure in place. So no tough questions likely in this case.

Actually I would think it was not too bright not to look up the current status of the mountain if you planned to hike on it. And hiking is allowed on this so called active volcano

I was just playing the guy's game who I quoted.

You seem to feel this is just a simple situation where a customer left some chips on the table, and ho hum, we have rules for that. Whereas in reality this is a situation where 4 customers were stabbed with a hunting knife and some people were stabbed several times. It would seem logical to assume that there would be blood on places like the rug, the chairs, customers clothing , and maybe even the expensive poker tables. It costs money to replace those things if the blood can't be completely removed. Not to mention any possible lawsuits that might arise from this incident. But you seem to want the casino to either drive the chips to the prison or have the criminal to stop by the casino to get his chips like it was just another business as normal case of abandoned chips.

Decisions must be made in this case, especially if there is expensive repairs that need to be made which the assaulter would definitely be liable for. Not to mention being liable for the mental and psychological anguish those present might experience for years to come.

But no, you believe no decisions need to be made, got it.

Correct there is no decision to be made at this point. The chips are collected, counted, witnessed and sequestered. The casino does not get to unilaterally claim ownership of the funds. There may be later decisions to be made. In fact likely are but the immediate process is I suspect well defined.

The casino may be able to hold the chips pending its or other’s claims. But that will not be decided at that time. I suspect if some how the perp could have walked back in after the police r3leased him (doubt he was released, but if), the casino would hand him the chips and tell him to leave and never return. It is his money and the casino has not established any legal claim (yet).

lmao Why did a mod delete my comment about a revenge shooting in a cardroom/at a table?

You did not say looking up if the volcano was active or not. You said you did not take the time to look up if it was or wasn’t a volcano.

A mountain can’t un-volcano. It is or isn’t volcanic. I guess a non volcano mountain could become volcanic but once a volcano always a volcano. And Mt. St. Helen has been a volcano “forever”. It might be dormant but it is still a volcano and will be for millennia after your and I are long gone.

That was my comment. You said in effect you did not check if that volcano was still a volcano. What could it become?

You seem to believe that the idea that once a volcano always a volcano is some kind of innate knowledge that humans are imbued with and that to look it up is unnecessary. Well, I'm of the belief that if a person is unsure of something they should not be put down for considering to look it up.

Good points.

I'd add that part of the culprit here is using that crime going up sentence. It is certainly true, and there are stats to show a spike in crime (somewhat to be expected during a period of economic downturn), but the media is often using these simple sentences in places where they will provoke arguments and it can feel like they're being included as clickbait. So when someone says something pretty innocuous, in support of or against this situation, everyone has a valid soap box to argue from. It's the original use that's gross, but only because it's poor writing. Even though an increase in crime could be reflected in a crime, it's half an inflammatory statement to muse about it and it doesn't really belong in the abstract.

Here's an example. There can be a pandemic or a war or a natural disaster, and there can be $ available in the graphic design budget. When a news agency makes "Pandemic Alert" or "Crisis in Ukraine" in several different alarming red and white fonts in big blinking letters, it's weird. Might as well throw some exclamation points in and a little dancing bear. Unbiased news is almost supposed to be boring. We want statistics, and then we want a few respected experts to tell us what they mean (if we don't already understand them).

Speaking to the intent of media companies is a slippery slope, because "facts don't care about ur feelings" and all that. It's fine to point out trends, but leaving lingering "ZOMG WOW" clickbaity endings like "IT APPEARS THAT THE CRIME EPIDEMIC HAS NOW REACHED THE POKER ROOM" is an alarmist jump to make after a single incident. If anything, this was a completely isolated crime, and nothing in the article indicates that it's stemming from any other situation or trend. If they want to point out that there is a rise in crime in general, tuck it in the article somewhere, and segue to it like a normal person.

Just found this thread after posting about the event last week in the Portland regional thread where I was surprised I got no replies.

I was at the room 8 hours or so after the stabbing, probably playing with the guy you mean has been known to call players morons. I wouldn't be sad if he got stabbed, but from what I heard about the incident, the assailant was not provoked, just got upset about losing or something and started stabbing people at the table. There was blood shed at the table, and the manager changed the felt while I was there that morning. Somehow one player ended up outside with the assailant; there were conflicting reports about whether he was chased by or was chasing the assailant. One of the players who got stabbed was an old lady who was apparently well liked. All four victims were taken to the hospital. I haven't heard anything else about the condition of the victims.

Security did not get involved because....there was no security in the room. Until about 6 weeks ago, the room held both poker tables and table games (baccarat, etc.), and there was a security person stationed at the door (I don't know if they were armed or not). At that time, the room next door reopened with the same ownership, all the table games went there, and the old room expanded their poker to fill the room. The security guy went to the other room with the table games. Maybe they will start having security in the poker room after this incident, but on Friday there was still no security.

BTW, the room is over an hour drive from Mount St. Helens; I hadn't realized it was even that close; maybe I will go visit when it gets warmer and find out for myself whether or not it is active.

When asked what to do with the assailants chips, the floor surveys the scene, sees bleeding players and a hunting knife on the table, and says "chop 'em up with the other players. ".

"Innate", no. But it is something I learned 50ish years ago in elementary school. Also you ignored my recent query. If it did not remain a volcano, what would it become? Have you ever heard of the 'former volcano"? Is there something else a a volcano is referred to after a recent eruption? (MSH most recent 'eruption' ended mid 2008 but is still considered an active volcano.) If there are no references of volcanos turning into former volcanos and if there isn't something you know a volcano does turn into, the safe assumption is they remain volcanos (without looking such up.) Certainly, one such as MSH could in parallel simply be called a mountain, as it is both a volcano and a mountain.

Your OP actually called MSH a "former volcano". Had you just said MSH was nearby, NP, no reply on that would have came (at least not from me). But you chose to create the term "former volcano" which is inaccurate

Also, I really don't believe my initial reply in any way put you down. I simply stated that MSH was still a volcano and in fact still considered an active volcano. That was not a rebuke. Now if you are referring to my parenthetical "moron" comment, that was in obvious jest and even noted as such. It was purely added to tie into your own use of the word moron. But if that offended you, my apologies. It does still seem apparent to me what my intent was.

Plus since you claim I put you down for considering looking something up, you should realize if anything I may have put you down for NOT looking something up. You 'created' the term "former volcano". I (politely I would claim) informed you that the modifier "former" was not necessary. If you don't (and appears you don't) consider my reply polite edification, it certainly was not a "put down" for looking something up. A "put down" for creating a inaccurate term instead of looking it up, MAYBE but not for looking it up.

Former volcano here, currently in recovery. I worked really hard when I was a volcano, but when I looked in the mirror, I didn't like what I saw. It took a long time and the support of my wife Vesuvius to get to where I am today, but I'm hopeful about the future.

I must have been absent that day, or my elementary teacher was incompetent for not teaching us that once a volcano always a volcano. I ignored it because it's time to move on to talking about the poker room incident again. But one final thing on volcanos. Yes, a mountain. It's currently called Mount St. Helens, not Volcano St. Helens. And I guess I committed the crime of calling it a former volcano because in 1980 it killed 57 people and destroyed 47 bridges when it erupted but now people can spend a pleasant outing hiking to its summit.

That's my last post on Mount St. Helens.

it might be your last one, but it's not mine:

Source: https://www.usgs.gov/volcanoes/mount-st.-helens

Note the present tense verb "is." Fore has it right. A dormant volcano is still a volcano, regardless of a pleasant day of hiking.

But don't feel bad for not knowing something Fore (and others) learned in school and still retained. Yours is reasonable. On the other hand, Conrad on S4Y literally did not know the difference between a consonant and a vowel. So you're doing just fine.

An extinct volcano is not dormant and is still a volcano.

Poor lady, sorry to hear that.

But I can just imagine a family scenario that might have taken place.

Child: Mom, are we going to go to grandma's house for Christmas.

Mom: Sorry Billy but Grandma got stabbed at a poker game, maybe next year.

I guess you chose to ignore that I actually stated it could and is called a mountain in parallel. Thanks for confirming I was again correct. But first it did not transition from volcano to a mountain. It was Botha mountain and a volcano before and after it erupted recently. Plus you did not call it a mountain. You specifically called it a former volcano. So even if a volcano evolved into a mountain after an eruption, you did not say that

You were simply wrong when you called it a former volcano and got your ire up when it was (politely) pointed out to you.

It was called MSH before the eruption also. I don’t believe it was called Volcano St Helen’s before 1980 (you do know that eruption continued until 2008.) So again this was not a transition and was not related to it erupting. Heck you do know 1980 was not it’s first eruption. So in 1979 is was already a post eruption volcano AND a mountain.

People for decades and longer enjoyed pleasant hikes to its summit. Being hikeable certainly doesn’t distinguish between mountain and volcano. Many hiking locales in HI and every inch of every island is volcanic, some extinct and some active but all volcanos. So these arguments are just as logically failed as your prior ones.

Btw, you do realize MSH is expected to erupt again in the future. In fact the next eruption is expected to be more explosive than 1980 due to structural changes in the lava dome which resulted from the 1980 eruption. So some time in the future those pleasant hikes to the summmit will become much less pleasant and very dangerous; likely even deadly if warning signs are ignored as some did in 1980

So, four people were stabbed and you guys are still arguing about the definition of a volcano? This is one of the most stupid online debates I have ever seen, and that's saying a lot. If you really feel the need to debate it further, please take it to the science forum.

Interest rates are set by a person. Not at all the same as crime

Bump to report the attackers jail sentence.

Well the guy in Washington state who stabbed 4 poker players (some several times) after losing all his money at the table got a 25 year jail sentence.

https://www.columbian.com/news/2023/...nter-cardroom/

It seems in the last 2 years or so there are more and more time bombs out there ready to explode at the slightest provacation. And as you all probably know 18 people got killed in Maine yesterday. Be Careful.

I'm all for harsh sentences but wondering what he would have faced if he didn't take this 25 year plea "deal"?

This is almost as bad as California where sentences like that are standard this is just an outrage. I was hoping Vancouver judges and prosecutors wouldn’t cave to white (appearing) man syndrome. How someone can attempt to murder 4 people viciously and not get life is beyond me. If victims did not want to testify use surveillance and get one to testify and put him away for 45 effective life for justice then. Disgusting how he claims the high road and intoxication/mental health and that floats with a .16 and the wslcb laws coming first and how lazy prosecutors and the state justice system consistently are. I hear for example the sexual assault years long backlog of kits and cases finally got “cleared up” by the “justice” system up there too.

I do not comprehend the implicit 'results orientation' of the law.