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Old 02-17-2012, 08:08 PM   #251
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What happens when mass numbers of entrants buy their seats online at pokertickets.com as was the case for the palm kennel $1 million guarantee. Does the site let the player know there will be an additional fee required in cash at the venue in order to get the full stack?

If not, what if some of these players don't bring extra cash with them?
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:11 PM   #252
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There is probably a star in some point on the booking form that covers them if they should mess up so they r not liable.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:14 PM   #253
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Would be interested to hear from someone who actually bought in online.
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What happens when mass numbers of entrants buy their seats online at pokertickets.com as was the case for the palm kennel $1 million guarantee. Does the site let the player know there will be an additional fee required in cash at the venue in order to get the full stack?

If not, what if some of these players don't bring extra cash with them?
Seeing as it isn't going to be happening anymore, what difference does it make? Palansky promised that Palm kennel is the last WSOPc event that is going to have the additional fees tableside, so as long as WSOP keeps their word, whatever ends up happening at PBKC won't ever happen again anyway.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:27 PM   #255
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Seeing as it isn't going to be happening anymore, what difference does it make? Palansky promised that Palm kennel is the last WSOPc event that is going to have the additional fees tableside, so as long as WSOP keeps their word, whatever ends up happening at PBKC won't ever happen again anyway.
Let's see what happens at rincon in a few weeks.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:01 PM   #256
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Would be interested to hear from someone who actually bought in online.
Bought my seat online. Didn't have the option to pay for the add-on in advance. Didn't see it mentioned anywhere at pokertickets.com. Did get a hand written receipt for it tho.

Also, I arrived a couple mins late. As I took a seat I was dealt my first hand before the dealer even asked me if I'd like to purchase the add-on. To avoid a confrontation the dealer should be required to ask and collect the players money if they'd like to purchase the addon b4 dealing the seat a hand. Other then that the dealers and floor were the best that I've ever played around.
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:04 AM   #257
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Let's see what happens at rincon in a few weeks.
This post is basically saying you don't believe the WSOP will do what Palansky promised. You wonder why there is animosity amongst the various facets within the live tourney community. WSOP recognized what they were doing was wrong, steps up and vows to correct the problem(for the most part) and you still pile on giving no benefit of the doubt.

You may end up being right that they won't hold up their end of the bargain, but how about waiting to see what happens at Rincon first before continuing to **** on them, as opposed to just assuming they aren't going to keep their word.
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:08 AM   #258
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I wasn't piling **** on them . I just have a wait and see approach.
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:30 AM   #259
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Re: From 2p2 Podcast, WSOPc middle man PTC collected ~1mm in undocumented fees during 2011-12 W

A lot of people have said that the really high rake is a consequenece of better structures and the need to compensate dealers more for this but in London there is regularly deep stacks which are 300+30 rake and 500+50, often with no dealer add on. If there is one then it will be 2k more chips when you start with 10-20k already.

Rent in London is insane, the taxes are really high and the dealers are better paid. I am not convinced they would be running these comps if they were losing them money.
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Old 02-19-2012, 04:31 AM   #260
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Re: From 2p2 Podcast, WSOPc middle man PTC collected ~1mm in undocumented fees during 2011-12 W

"There are other issues that are a bigger deal, such as the groups that back each other at some of these smaller stops and how aggressive they are (or aren't) against each other late in events. But, that's a much tougher nut to crack."

TY, for bringing this up.Although I am relatively new to $300-$2000 MTT's, i have noticed this trend particularly with a group traveling in but not limited to choctaw, winstar and horseshoe (bossier city). I am merely interested in what info/intel tourney reg's and veteran 2+2'ers have regarding this practice. thanks again.
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:27 AM   #261
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Re: From 2p2 Podcast, WSOPc middle man PTC collected ~1mm in undocumented fees during 2011-12 W

OMG OMG OGM Harrah's New Orleans has a daily $60 tourney with a $10 dealer add on at the table. You don't get a receipt for it. That is soooo redic. Only in the fine print is where you can find it. THEY'RE GOING TO RUIN POKHA!!!! Great now I can't make a living playing poker any moar
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:16 AM   #262
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Re: From 2p2 Podcast, WSOPc middle man PTC collected ~1mm in undocumented fees during 2011-12 W

Hey dumb asses.

You ***** and moan about to much rake, how jimmy is stealing from you, and how the dealers are getting taken advantage of... your truly a moron!!!

In west palm beach it was rummored that the girl that won event #2 did not tip because she thinks they take to much rake. So for all you un appreciative $#%$'s out there, like that *****, I will break it down for you!

Of the 300+45 buy in + 10 dealer addon.... of the 300...3% goes to prize pool which they take in every tournament on the face of the planet. That is 9 dollars..... 45 goes to the THE WEST PALM BEACH KENNEL CLUB, not to PTC or the dealers at all and yes 10 dollars to the staff. So I'm paying 19 dollars to the PTC staff that flies 3/4 away across the country to deal to me for an entire day. That is 14 hours from noon - 2 am when we bag up for day 2. then come back and deal to me again after working a 15 hour day the previous day, which is almost 2 times as much as the average american. And you want to ***** about these people? Is this because your not good enough to make day 2 or just cant stay away from craps? You pay 6 dollars for 30 minutes in a time raked live game but cant give these guys 19 a day that do all this so you have the opportunity to get a ring and get a huge score! You give the waitress that brings you a water 2 dollars, the food server a 5 dollar tip, but you cant give the dealers 19 for flying across the country for you the player. Personally i'm thankful they are doing this for only 19. I wouldn't want to do what they do. They put up with to much stress and grief from us players and all you want to do is complain?

They are professional for the most part. The rulings are very consistant, and they work long hours (usually 15+ hour days) that you can only compliment and admire them for putting up with your Bull****! And they return again the next day to give that same kind of dedication, professionalism, and service. They offer there entire year to you the player and all you do it whine. I will gladly pay 10 dollars and if they ask for more I will pay it... as well as tip when I win. Why you ask... because i would rather pay an entire staff 19 dollars, that knows what the hell they are doing to fly in and run a great structured tournament with phenominal dealers, then to pay for a tournament that has 45 dealers that cant speak english, get inconsistant floor calls, and have and the only thing they understand about poker is how to say" good luck and she-she" and you all know who im referring to. They pay hotel cost that local in house dealers dont pay. AND WE ALL ***** AT HOW MUCH THEY SUCK AND DONT KNOW RULES. Think about it people. pokercast. you want to get rid of the 10 dollars... they you get the quicker tournaments with the ****ty dealers. go play on poker stars then... oh wait you cant!

You want to ***** about jimmy, the properties, the staff, the dealers, and everything else by saying they take to much.... but you know what... you keep showing up, and you keep paying it.... if you don't like it don't F'ing play any WSOP circuit event then. and stop bitching about it!

Jimmy is retired now....... now what are you gonna ***** about next?

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Hey dumb asses.

You ***** and moan about to much rake, how jimmy is stealing from you, and how the dealers are getting taken advantage of... your truly a moron!!!

In west palm beach it was rummored that the girl that won event #2 did not tip because she thinks they take to much rake. So for all you un appreciative $#%$'s out there, like that *****, I will break it down for you!

Of the 300+45 buy in + 10 dealer addon.... of the 300...3% goes to prize pool which they take in every tournament on the face of the planet. That is 9 dollars..... 45 goes to the THE WEST PALM BEACH KENNEL CLUB, not to PTC or the dealers at all and yes 10 dollars to the staff. So I'm paying 19 dollars to the PTC staff that flies 3/4 away across the country to deal to me for an entire day. That is 14 hours from noon - 2 am when we bag up for day 2. then come back and deal to me again after working a 15 hour day the previous day, which is almost 2 times as much as the average american. And you want to ***** about these people? Is this because your not good enough to make day 2 or just cant stay away from craps? You pay 6 dollars for 30 minutes in a time raked live game but cant give these guys 19 a day that do all this so you have the opportunity to get a ring and get a huge score! You give the waitress that brings you a water 2 dollars, the food server a 5 dollar tip, but you cant give the dealers 19 for flying across the country for you the player. Personally i'm thankful they are doing this for only 19. I wouldn't want to do what they do. They put up with to much stress and grief from us players and all you want to do is complain?

They are professional for the most part. The rulings are very consistant, and they work long hours (usually 15+ hour days) that you can only compliment and admire them for putting up with your Bull****! And they return again the next day to give that same kind of dedication, professionalism, and service. They offer there entire year to you the player and all you do it whine. I will gladly pay 10 dollars and if they ask for more I will pay it... as well as tip when I win. Why you ask... because i would rather pay an entire staff 19 dollars, that knows what the hell they are doing to fly in and run a great structured tournament with phenominal dealers, then to pay for a tournament that has 45 dealers that cant speak english, get inconsistant floor calls, and have and the only thing they understand about poker is how to say" good luck and she-she" and you all know who im referring to.

You want to ***** about jimmy, the properties, the staff, the dealers, and everything else by saying they take to much.... but you know what... you keep showing up, and you keep paying it.... if you don't like it don't F'ing play any WSOP circuit event then. and stop bitching about it!

Jimmy is retired now....... now what are you gonna ***** about next?
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:23 AM   #264
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I have to to think that a dealer left this message, i am a dealer and very much agree. ...i think you give the hot waitress to much money and when i ship you a 600 pot in live you give me a dollar, but she brings you water and gets 2... where si the justice in that? or give you a tournament win and you dont tip... yes i have to agree with whoever that is
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:07 AM   #265
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Hey dumb asses.

You ***** and moan about to much rake, how jimmy is stealing from you, and how the dealers are getting taken advantage of... your truly a moron!!!

In west palm beach it was rummored that the girl that won event #2 did not tip because she thinks they take to much rake. So for all you un appreciative $#%$'s out there, like that *****, I will break it down for you!

Of the 300+45 buy in + 10 dealer addon.... of the 300...3% goes to prize pool which they take in every tournament on the face of the planet. That is 9 dollars..... 45 goes to the THE WEST PALM BEACH KENNEL CLUB, not to PTC or the dealers at all and yes 10 dollars to the staff. So I'm paying 19 dollars to the PTC staff that flies 3/4 away across the country to deal to me for an entire day. That is 14 hours from noon - 2 am when we bag up for day 2. then come back and deal to me again after working a 15 hour day the previous day, which is almost 2 times as much as the average american. And you want to ***** about these people? Is this because your not good enough to make day 2 or just cant stay away from craps? You pay 6 dollars for 30 minutes in a time raked live game but cant give these guys 19 a day that do all this so you have the opportunity to get a ring and get a huge score! You give the waitress that brings you a water 2 dollars, the food server a 5 dollar tip, but you cant give the dealers 19 for flying across the country for you the player. Personally i'm thankful they are doing this for only 19. I wouldn't want to do what they do. They put up with to much stress and grief from us players and all you want to do is complain?

They are professional for the most part. The rulings are very consistant, and they work long hours (usually 15+ hour days) that you can only compliment and admire them for putting up with your Bull****! And they return again the next day to give that same kind of dedication, professionalism, and service. They offer there entire year to you the player and all you do it whine. I will gladly pay 10 dollars and if they ask for more I will pay it... as well as tip when I win. Why you ask... because i would rather pay an entire staff 19 dollars, that knows what the hell they are doing to fly in and run a great structured tournament with phenominal dealers, then to pay for a tournament that has 45 dealers that cant speak english, get inconsistant floor calls, and have and the only thing they understand about poker is how to say" good luck and she-she" and you all know who im referring to. They pay hotel cost that local in house dealers dont pay. AND WE ALL ***** AT HOW MUCH THEY SUCK AND DONT KNOW RULES. Think about it people. pokercast. you want to get rid of the 10 dollars... they you get the quicker tournaments with the ****ty dealers. go play on poker stars then... oh wait you cant!

You want to ***** about jimmy, the properties, the staff, the dealers, and everything else by saying they take to much.... but you know what... you keep showing up, and you keep paying it.... if you don't like it don't F'ing play any WSOP circuit event then. and stop bitching about it!

Jimmy is retired now....... now what are you gonna ***** about next?
your tirade would make a lot of sense if this was a tipping thread, but it is not a tipping thread.

it is about over 1 million dollars of undocumented and untraceable tokes in one year alone on the circuit. only one person knows exactly how much was taken in, and how much should of been given to the dealers. that person has the reputation of being a very degenerate and shady individual.

as a dealer, your first concern shouldn't be complaining about taking away the $10. your concern should be figuring out a system to protect your money from thieving hands. it has been happening for years, with no oversight. you should keep bitching until there is a system to stop this crime of opportunity. it is pretty hard to find out what truly went on in the past, when the regulator is the exact same people who are in charge. this thread should open your eyes of what you need to do in the future to protect yourself.

it is no coincidence that dealer income has gone down, and how much management income has increased over the past 10 years. a $10 toke has been forced on the players, yet dealer income has still drop significantly. it is not in the final table tips, there have always been plenty of stiffs.

all of the money dealers used to make is still in the system. it is now in the managements hands. you shouldn't have to work 15 hour days to make the same money you used to make in 8.

this is the only area of any casino that is not micro managed, and therefore open to corruption. open your eyes, or continue to be their pawns.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:14 AM   #266
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Hey dumb asses.

You ***** and moan about to much rake, how jimmy is stealing from you, and how the dealers are getting taken advantage of... your truly a moron!!!

In west palm beach it was rummored that the girl that won event #2 did not tip because she thinks they take to much rake. So for all you un appreciative $#%$'s out there, like that *****, I will break it down for you!

Of the 300+45 buy in + 10 dealer addon.... of the 300...3% goes to prize pool which they take in every tournament on the face of the planet. That is 9 dollars..... 45 goes to the THE WEST PALM BEACH KENNEL CLUB, not to PTC or the dealers at all and yes 10 dollars to the staff. So I'm paying 19 dollars to the PTC staff that flies 3/4 away across the country to deal to me for an entire day. That is 14 hours from noon - 2 am when we bag up for day 2. then come back and deal to me again after working a 15 hour day the previous day, which is almost 2 times as much as the average american. And you want to ***** about these people? Is this because your not good enough to make day 2 or just cant stay away from craps? You pay 6 dollars for 30 minutes in a time raked live game but cant give these guys 19 a day that do all this so you have the opportunity to get a ring and get a huge score! You give the waitress that brings you a water 2 dollars, the food server a 5 dollar tip, but you cant give the dealers 19 for flying across the country for you the player. Personally i'm thankful they are doing this for only 19. I wouldn't want to do what they do. They put up with to much stress and grief from us players and all you want to do is complain?

They are professional for the most part. The rulings are very consistant, and they work long hours (usually 15+ hour days) that you can only compliment and admire them for putting up with your Bull****! And they return again the next day to give that same kind of dedication, professionalism, and service. They offer there entire year to you the player and all you do it whine. I will gladly pay 10 dollars and if they ask for more I will pay it... as well as tip when I win. Why you ask... because i would rather pay an entire staff 19 dollars, that knows what the hell they are doing to fly in and run a great structured tournament with phenominal dealers, then to pay for a tournament that has 45 dealers that cant speak english, get inconsistant floor calls, and have and the only thing they understand about poker is how to say" good luck and she-she" and you all know who im referring to. They pay hotel cost that local in house dealers dont pay. AND WE ALL ***** AT HOW MUCH THEY SUCK AND DONT KNOW RULES. Think about it people. pokercast. you want to get rid of the 10 dollars... they you get the quicker tournaments with the ****ty dealers. go play on poker stars then... oh wait you cant!

You want to ***** about jimmy, the properties, the staff, the dealers, and everything else by saying they take to much.... but you know what... you keep showing up, and you keep paying it.... if you don't like it don't F'ing play any WSOP circuit event then. and stop bitching about it!

Jimmy is retired now....... now what are you gonna ***** about next?
Perhaps you should have read what the actual subject matter and point of the thread was before you blew an artery typing this.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:20 AM   #267
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Ironic the podcast hosts, bankrolled by the most terrifyingly efficient rake machine ever created, would get so bent out of shape about the... umm... rake.

If there was a hypocrite tournament and they had a Calcutta, I'd buy your team first in the blind bid.
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Hey dumb asses. .....

Of the 300+45 buy in + 10 dealer addon.... of the 300...3% goes to prize pool which they take in every tournament on the face of the planet. That is 9 dollars..... 45 goes to the THE WEST PALM BEACH KENNEL CLUB, not to PTC or the dealers at all and yes 10 dollars to the staff. So I'm paying 19 dollars to the PTC staff that flies 3/4 away across the country to deal to me for an entire day.
I am not one of those complaining about dealer pay (and I don't want to derail) but just to point out that your math is wrong since:

(1) If those dealers are working 15 hours (as you say) then they will be paid at least minimum wage for that time. Say $7 x 15 = $105.

(2) The $19 is per player. The average table has 9 players so the $19 per player equates to $19 x 9 = $171 per dealer on top of wages.

(3) The average player lasts less than a day in a $300 tourney.

If you are going to call people "dumb asses" etc then you should get your own facts straight.
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Jimmy is retired now....... now what are you gonna ***** about next?
People who completely miss the point
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I have to to think that a dealer left this message, i am a dealer and very much agree. ...i think you give the hot waitress to much money and when i ship you a 600 pot in live you give me a dollar, but she brings you water and gets 2... where si the justice in that? or give you a tournament win and you dont tip... yes i have to agree with whoever that is
What does the size of the pot have to do with anything?
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What does the size of the pot have to do with anything?
That's how many dealers think. They are not so smart
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Also who is giving 2$ for drinks?
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Ironic the podcast hosts, bankrolled by the most terrifyingly efficient rake machine ever created, would get so bent out of shape about the... umm... rake.

If there was a hypocrite tournament and they had a Calcutta, I'd buy your team first in the blind bid.
More LOLness. If PokerStars ever indicate in their lobby a specific buy-in, tourney fee, stucture and starting stack size, only for players to find out they only receive 2/3 of their chips unless you transfered another $10 out of your account to complete your stack, you might begin to be in the ballpark of being on topic. AFAIK, Stars has never lied about or hidden any tourney fees or extorted additional money at the virtual table once the player has already sat down. If they had, the ****storm would be a thousand times louder than this thread.

Anyone who thinks the original purpose of this thread was about
a) the amount of rake being charged or
b) the amount of money dealers are/should be tipped

needs to stop posting or re-read from the start. It's about hidden fees, poor advertising and dishonestly run events.
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I have to to think that a dealer left this message, i am a dealer and very much agree. ...i think you give the hot waitress to much money and when i ship you a 600 pot in live you give me a dollar, but she brings you water and gets 2... where si the justice in that? or give you a tournament win and you dont tip... yes i have to agree with whoever that is
almost got trolled into turning this into a tipping thread!
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Hey dumb asses....

Of the 300+45 buy in + 10 dealer addon.... of the 300...3% goes to gets taken out of the prize pool
FYP

So $291 for the prize pool and $64 in juice/addons- That's 22%
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Show me a PS tourny that charges 22%
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