Joey should make a mental resilience course because mentally, he's crushing.

I remember that session well

Now post the +100k graphs

Thanks for making this one of your 5 posts


Great post David

Haha - I'm not sure if it's become toxic beyond measure, has always been that way and I was oblivious to it, or if I'm spending time in focusing on all the wrong parts of the industry.

That was like 2008 right? Back when you had a 10% 3b at 2 card Omaha FR?

Hope you are well!

Uh, thanks for sharing ?

you not a real one if you dont appreciate the Yani anthem

I'm really sorry for the OT, but I just wrote this long PM to you Joey, only to realize that your PMs are full once Ive sent it and I would not like it to go to waste, so here:

"The next postle: player with a realtime solver on WPN & Chico

I tried everything, security on both sites don't do anything despite all regs unanimously agreeing that he is using a realtime solver like Oborra. I know you like to investigate this stuff and just in case you're interested I am going to give you a summary. This guy has defrauded a few 100k, mostly from american players.

His name on WPN is Stongpanyid, he started appearing out of nowhere at the NL400 to 5k tables (maybe 10k to, I dont play that high), started playing everyone and crushing. (I think he played lower with an okay winrate before). It didn't take long until noone gave him action, because he never deviates from a solver strategy. A few players reported him, but obviously nothing happened. And since there is not a lot of action on those stakes at WPN and scripts are allowed everyone is just leaving the tables to him when he is online.
About two weeks ago he started appearing on Chico under the name "bloodywolf". The stats are identical, he uses the same stacksize strategy of never buying in full, not even when there is a 80vpip whale on the table, he plays at the same times and he never deviates from solver strategy. He is also giving action to everyone and crushing. Other 5/10 regs and me (5/10 is the highest stake on chico) studied his game for multiple hours and we couldn't identify a single leak or a single misplayed hand.
Now the reason why this is causing for more outrage is that on Chico scripts are banned (although horribly enforced) and there is a lot more action, so people without a script (like me) are forced to battle with other regs for the tables. Battling with someone who is using a realtime solver is not fun! I reported him and made multiple posts about him, so did a lot of other 5/10 regs, but nothing has happened. The guy is still playing everdays and winning tons of money.
He is not playing on any other site afaik, I can't say for party since I dont play there, but he doesnt play on any other sites for sure. (Just happened to be playing on the two sites with the worst security in the industry, coincidence?)

Here is my first post accusing him:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=331

Here is where other people realized it too: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...6/index21.html (post #524 at the bottom)
He starts definding himself on the next page under the name "Art|To|Win". You probably have still doubt that what Im saying is true, since Im just a nobody making accusations, but once youve read his posts you will be certain.

I've been playing NL professionally for 8 years, currently winning at NL500-5k at 5bb/100 with barely any table selection. I know when someone is using software. And its not just me, every single reg on both sites who have played him feels the same.

Please tell me if I sparked your interest. If you need more information let me know, Ill happily provide anything. If you would make a video I would obviously be forever greatful, since I don't think there is any other way to get their "security team" to do something.

Take care"

Again, sorry, but I dont know any other to contact you
If you're interested pls send me a PM
If not get a mod to edit my post to "I love your videos joey", which is true

Hello Joey. Is there any chance of getting Barry Greenstein on there again please?

Would be awesome if you did something on this guy Joey. The amount is likely much greater than a few 100k, also.

Every single reg is well aware he uses software. On top of it, he is an insanely scummy individual, taunting regs and fish alike in the chat, and accusing completely legitimate regs of cheating in order to make it look less one sided.

^^it would be hilarious how little you guys actually care about joey's mental health (while showering him with well-wishes) if it wasn't really actually kind of sad.

asking him to go back down the rabbit hole on some ACR nonsense, i mean come the **** on with this bullshit




fwiw, the podcasting was about a million times better when it was just periodic chats with various cash game pros. once he fell off the wagon with the ACR **** and started making videos about various scam artists and fights, it all went downhill. don't encourage that.

^^100% this.

Thought exactly the same thing but couldn’t be bothered typing it.

Seriously, take care of yourself Joey.

Regarding the bold quote, IMO this says it all: Postle, and now this single accused online player are being thrown to the "wolves" in attempts to cover all the other cheaters online who have definitely (as of recently) completely ruined online poker, hopefully not permanently!

I haven't seen one mention of a very disturbing Postle detail: he seems to be an expert or better at maximizing profit and minimizing losses vs opps whose cards he sees! I wonder why "he hasn't played online in 8 or so years"? (all the Postle stuff is allegedly)

And thats exactly wtf I recommend to everyone, including Joey: don't play online poker. It doesn't even seem worth investigating anymore. Trying to beat cheaters, while fun, has lost all appeal to me as it grows in difficulty (cheaters adjust to honest players who battle them). I/we need to be repaid for lost profits! Sadly I have no hopes to ever play online again. Not even freerolls. As a disabled person who has suffered severe social anxiety, being able to play online while I'm at home, with fewer distractions and clearer thinking was just about everything to me and my loved ones who I support.

I share concern for Joey's health and the entire poker world. Prayers. But, are some of you faking concern just to use Joey for your continued agenda? (killing online poker then trying to recruit fish and regs and concerned pros to keep your scam alive!)

^^^^^

I've been susp of this guy for a while but assumed I am just bad and he is good. Very unlikely anyone can do ****, especially because its on WPN.

Basically all of the high stakes heads up and 6max regs agree that there's a handful of accounts of WPN and 888 that are cheating. Nobody gives them action.

WPN
Iwillbeweasel (Netherlands)
Strongpranyid (Russia I believe)
Utterainevillain (UK IIRC)

888
Ukeleleee (90% sure it's iwillbeweasel)
Z00ts

There's a handful of suspects on Pokerstars as well, but they are making it way less obvious.
The funny thing is that those cheaters are not even that good.

potscreamer aswell on 888

A whole bunch of crazy derail posts have been deleted and any reference to them (or to the original crazy derail poster) will be deleted going forward.

Have you played strongpranyid? No one gives him action because no human stands a chance vs him HU

in sauce's new vid on RIO he doesn't come out and say it directly but he pretty much accused high stakes NL regs on stars of botting. not sure who he was directing it to but it would make sense

^ ^ I think i misread Mixgrill’s post. I thought you were saying that those players listed aren’t any good, but I think you were referring to just the Stars players.

Strongpranyid seems 100% unbeatable for a human and obviously uses software for every postflop decision. I’ve seen him make one mistake in thousands of hands.

So, I just recently started watching poker content on youtube and of course right off the bat came across both Doug and Joey's youtube channels. I've watched about a dozen of Joey's poker life episodes on youtube so far, and enjoyed a bunch of the ones I've watched.

Most of them don't seem to get too much into the nitty gritty of the poker stuff, and seem to stick more to the life side of the "poker life" thing (which I realize is probably the point, and am definitely not complaining). And for example in the case of someone like Viffer (which I just watched), that was great, lol.

But, one thing I would like to watch more of are episodes with players who get more into the poker stuff but on sort of a medium or maybe macro level. So, for example, not getting so heavily into the poker stuff that they are analyzing hands on a really technical level (I know that's not really the point of his podcast), but rather, getting into like, how tough it was for the player to beat certain specific stakes levels when they were starting out or climbing the ranks, and when, or what their breakthrough moments or sessions were where they had a shot that worked out and then moved up to such and such stakes level. Also maybe (if they were willing to share) what their winrates were at different stakes levels, and/or what their biggest downswings and upswings were, craziest sessions, etc. And of course, if they were willing to share, how much they won or lost total at different stakes levels. Or, maybe who their toughest opponents were, and for what reasons, at that new stakes level, and so on. Or also maybe discussions about various passing "trends" that happened over the years in online poker in a more general strategy-trend type of way, for example something like "everone was playing really nitty at such and such game at stakes level from 2007 to 2008 online", or "overly LAG at such and such stakes level during such and such era". Or "everyone was minraising preflop as their standard opener at X stakes during Y period, or 4x opening". Or everyone seemed to be making X/Y/Z types of bluffs or plays postflop in such and such scenarios during that stakes and era, and they noticed it and counteracted by doing such and such when nobody else seemed to be doing that at the time. That kind of stuff. So, kind of in depth on poker, but not on like a microscopic hand to hand "I had suit blockers on the turn, because my hand was this, and he sized it badly with this so I shoved over the top with xyz". No. Rather, I mean more like medium birds eye point of view stuff of moving up through the stakes levels, and generalities about what was tough about levels where they got stuck, or opponents who gave them a tough time. That kind of thing, if you understand what I'm asking about here.

So far, I think Sauce was maybe the closest to getting into that kind of talk during his episodes, of the episodes I've watched so far.

So, what are some episodes you guys could recommend that get a little more heavily into that type of stuff compared to the avg episode (if any)?

Also maybe if there are any episodes he's done with some not as well known online crushers from the boom era who maybe never made it all the way to top level Rail Heaven nosebleeds, but were crushing it huge (especially in heads up or shorthanded) at like 5/10 or 10/20 or maybe 25/50nl or pl back in the pre black friday era. Or nowadays too, I guess. That would be interesting to me, especially since it would be hard to search for, since there were so many of them, I wouldn't know what names to type in the search box to search some of those out if he's done any interviews with any of those types of guys who made hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars at upper midstakes/lower high stakes back in the day in online cash games, but at stakes that were just below the nosebleed level where they would've gotten super famous or tracked by HighStakesDB when they did their thing.

And then also what are some fan favorite episodes as far as really juicy away-from-the-table stories, like just general degen craziness or good insider stories about stuff (i.e. the way the Viffer episode was great, for example).

I like watching these Joey vids and want to watch more of them, so recommendations of some particularly good episodes (especially for the stuff I asked about) would be great.

And, in the off chance Joey himself sees this post, hey, new fan here! Keep up the good work, man! You seem like a good dude. Good to have a guy like you in the poker world. I wish there had been someone doing this type of thing in the pre black friday days! There were so many players I used to watch on FTP and Stars back then who I wish I could've seen do an ep with someone like you back then. Well, anyway, thanks for all these episodes man! Gonna watch a bunch of them now

Here's one of the many underrated Poker Life Podcast episodes -- this one from Oct 2015 featuring Haralabos Voulgaris.

Nice. I made a list of a bunch of episodes I wanted to watch asap when browsing the old vids in his channel, so, I guess I'll move that one to the top of my list and watch it next

Hi NINzent,

I'll attempt to provide some insight, with the understanding that I do not speak for anyone else except myself and obviously haven't put in 1/1000th of the effort/networking/study that Joey has, and that I know zero about ACR and the American-facing offshore iGaming/i-poker markets.

IMO... Phil Nagy's appearance on Joey's show (from May 2019) really put Joey in a tough spot to be able to publicly assist in ACR-related stuff going forward. Mr. Nagy crossed a line in bringing issues that are 100% the responsibility of, and should be handled responsibly by any poker operator, right into Joey's lap:

* Phil Nagy said he had received death threats from at least one 2+2 member over the player-initiated bot/game integrity accusations. He said he was "scared" he was going to get "killed," publicly shared that he had hired bodyguards, and insinuated that Joey's reporting of the scandals (brought forth by many ACR players here on 2+2) had escalated this scenario.

* Phil Nagy also mentioned that he can't find anyone to do his job because they're scared to do so and that he's scared of going to jail, insinuated towards the end of the show that he was seeking a poker player-personality to wield influence over operations and vouch for him so he can continue running the business. Which again is something that ultimately any poker site should take final responsibility for -- and not burden players/personalities with.

When I watched that show, I reached out to people on the regulated side of the industry (although they likewise have zero to do with US-facing offshore services) to make it clear that this stuff was too much. Too much of a burden that's neither wanted nor resolvable from a player/personality/affiliate/media end regardless of which site or licensing status that might be.

It's not like troubleshooting Joe's Frito Pie Shack in Escazú with a few grumpy-ass Gringos griping about chili that needs more cumin. That's 300 employees across 3 continents of an offshore, US-facing online gambling site at a time when potential Wire Act enforcement has been officially referred to the DOJ Organized Crime and Gang Section for all such services (again, regardless of licensing status).

People just don't need this nonsense in their lives (IMO). Not you. Not me. Not Joey. Not 2+2's friends. Not 2+2's enemies. Not offshore affiliates. Not licensed affiliates. Not poker personalities. Not mainstream media. Not lawmakers. And most definitely not the general online poker playing public.

That doesn't mean that anyone should agree/disagree with that take. I think most who contribute frequently on these boards realize there are clear game integrity/security/prohibited software issues that any real money peer-to-peer gambling site will have to deal with going forward? Regardless?

But as far as the carrying on with the bodyguards and the death threats and just the general deflection of this crap (that again, should be 100% the site's responsibility to coordinate with proper authorities?) onto JOEY himself? No, thank you. People got other sh** going on in their lives.

Obviously that's nothing against any player or any human being who plays poker here or there. Anyone who's been around the poker world long enough can sympathize with these types of doubts, and the need to network with others. But who needs all the burdens that come along with that really?

-David