thanks for sharing

By the beard of Zeus and the Robes of the holy mother, where in the name of **** is AE-mother-****ing-Jones????

He can't come in here dick tease us and then disappear in a poof, its not 2009, and nor does he have the ninja avatar on Full Tilt.

Regards, Tops

lol

AE MF Jones will be on the podcast sometime this month



#Hope


I have a couple more people in mind to have on to talk about it


Really good stuff, thanks for linking to it Thayer


+1 to Gary Busey?

How about live plo legend pat Walsh?

Hey Joey,

great work with the podcast, good stuff!

One thing I wanted to mention, you might wanna treat your guest Daniel Negreanu with a bit more respect. In the podcast with him and Ansky, you kept on repeating that he does not ''know'' poker, and that it would be nice if people who ''know'' poker could have some talk with the topguys at Amaya.

I for sure get your point, that Daniel is not playing/grinding that much online, but I found it getting really awkward, you kept repeating that he has no clue about current online poker. He obvious did his homework and looked into the situation and he seemed to winning most arguments against you without to much effort. He is trying to help some of us out, even appearing on the podcast and facing the storm is something we should applaud. You might want to treat such a high profile guest who raised the value of your podcast big time, with a bit more respect.

Other than that, great work and thanks for getting our voice out there

Any chance of a Christmas special with Eric Seidel please Joseph? Thanks a lot for all the work you do.

I think I treat all my guests with a great deal of respect when they are on. Me saying to DN that I don't think he really understands the online poker world isn't me disrespecting him. I really don't think he knows that much about the SNE/high stakes/big volume world of online poker. I also don't think he knows that much about the micro/small stakes world of PLO/ small stakes ecosystem in general. This is what I was referring to. When I say it would be nice if people who know about poker could talk to some of the top guys at Amaya, it is these type of guys that now work for Stars or who are high profile smart people involved in the poker world currently that I am referring to. If we were having a discussion about the live poker world and DN told me that I don't really know poker in referencing that, would that be him disrespecting me? I don't think so. If someone told me that they didn't they I really understood the online poker world , I wouldn't feel disrespected by that, if that is all it takes for someone to feel that type of way then you probably need to get some thicker skin. I think he greatly understands certain aspects of the poker world much better than I do and vice versa.

There wasn't any arguments taking place, it wasn't a debate in any way. I don't think we really disagreed on much discussed. I asked questions, he gave answers, I followed up on some answers, I didn't follow up on others, I offered some words on a few answers. I said numerous times that I appreciated and respected the fact that he did come on to talk about it, which I really do. I think it is great for the community to be able to hear from him. But in those particular instances that is what I was thinking and I think many others agreed with me while some disagreed.


Let's find him and get him on

No. **** Dnegs. The book of Ingram states; No one gets a pass on the Streets of Ingram. Shots will be fired. This is what makes Ingram... Ingram.

Dnegs has no clue about online poker in its current form and IS dis-attached to the games.

1) He shows up one day before the strike.
2) He doesn't quite understand the consequences of the changes as well as any online grinder.
3) He prob doesn't have much of a voice with the decision makers as he would like

And you think he came across well??? Your deluded.

srsly people don't see an uncanny resemblance of Van Hoof? I guess I'll let it rest

Good post

I think it was a tad bit disrespectful dragging Ansky into the call, unless you asked DN before the podcast started. Say a random guest is talking with Joe Rogan about outerspace. Joe Rogan is telling his guest he's ignorant about space, but at the same time Joe's is completely unable to articulate why. So Joe Rogan has a ****ing NASA scientist waiting in the wings to do his dirty work. Ansky is basically the SNE debating endgame boss. It's okay if I bring in this NASA scientist, right?

I don't ever think that would be the case with Joe Rogan.

To be fair to Joey, the chat was going mental asking for Dani to come on the stream, and IMO it moved the debate on and added to the podcast. We had reached the point were Joey wasn't convinced by the answers and DN was just basically repeating the same point.

fyp and it's definitely not a jab at you, Joey.

I also don't think he was disrespecting Daniel. He called him out on not knowing things. One awful part of Daniel's podcast was it was clear before Ansky came on that he didn't agree with things/know things but then when schooled by Ansky just said "I agree with you so you don't need to say anymore about this issue" (that was about the no VPPs at 5/10+ but was more or less said a few more times following that).

Joey: You don't know jack****
DN: don't know about what?
Joey: well....um....err.....ANSKY!

It's just not a good look when you call out your guest and can't string together one sentence about what he doesn't know about. It's looks childish. Joey is an intelligent guy. It's a preparation issue. Too much playing chess and doing mdma, imo.

Peeps saying dnegs has no clue about online poker is double lol sandwich

You all need to understand that the world of Playing high volume online is one part of one part of online poker . And yes it would be fair to say he has never played high volume online.

Podcast was cool all the way around . Someone please send dnegs a headset he'll def need that when moving on to esports.

Was he really a guest though?

More like a gatecrasher to the strike party to create some positive spin for the people that pay his salary.

And he clearly doesn't understand it, yet tries to represent that he does. He has very little idea of the how's and why's.

Would you please define the "it" from above ?

It is clear that Dnegs hasn't played online poker for meaningful income for a long time, if ever. You can try to parse out high volume grinding, but I'm not sure Ansky is a high volume grinder -- he seems more of a high stakes crusher, if you want to throw in the jab of
you're looking as much at our host, Joey, as anyone. He's crushed the volume at times. Your whole argument seems silly to me. Playing poker for income, all I care about is $/hour. In the short term, a guy making $100/hour grinding a lot of tables versus making $100/hour two tabling is doing the same thing -- it is making $100/hour playing poker. No version is more noble. Since we eat and pay rent out of net $, who cares whether the net $ has a given % of rakeback? Oh yes, people who mostly post on NVG.
No idea why you're concerned with volume. Dnegs never won real money online relative to the stakes he's played (or vs. his own personal situation). He's played the odd tournament. He's made a cameo in mix games. He played a little NLHE. He has way more hours of golf than online poker in any given year. Is the PGA tour calling and asking him about format changes? It isn't unfair to say that he's no more than casually acquainted with playing online poker. He does other stuff. Why would he be an expert in the online economy, as he probably spends more time thinking about hockey than online poker.

Dnegs has a unique channel to talk to stars, and people who play (or recently played) poker for a living are trying to fill him in on their concerns on the site he reps. He's never played to make money he needed. No shame/disrespect in it. He may not care about rake because he's playing big enough not to, but he may also have a 100% RB deal in the mix. Why would a guy who makes his living through endorsements and live MTTs know/care a lot about online poker as a profession?

Lou, you seem to be trying insult people who play a lot of volume. Do you insult other people who show up to work every day? That bus driver is just a road driving grinder! Ansky said a number of times how he believes the Stars changes will hurt the poker economy. I don't recall it being "mass grinders are our biggest concern, and they're really hurting". Maybe argue against his points, rather than just trotting out a meme/sound-bite? I know it is cool on NVG to pretend that people who show up to play every day, play decent stakes, and thus get in a lot of volume are somehow bad people. Low volume players can't be pros.

**** Joe Rogan. And **** science too. And NASA can suck my chocodick.

Mr Negs spent the best part of 40mins referring to "Ansky" in one way or another. "I've had conversations with Dani on that and we both agree..." To the point where he sub-concisely wanted to say look guys... Ansky is not ur rep on this. I am. Listen to me. Stop.

And I wouldn't be suppressed if he slipped in some BS that wasn't discussed between them. So in all honesty I don't think it lacked class to get Ansky on when negs kept referencing him.

There u go Lou.
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What ****s me off the most. Is the holier than Amayastars "spin" regarding the the communication issue.

Okay... So that's a corporate professionalism issue, nice stance to take a position on.

But if you consider the {its} above.... All of that is a professionalism issue and a transparency flaw on a colossal level that he continuously fails to take a position on at the right time.

Don't even get me started on the 240:255 math

Fair enough.

I'm not taking on a stand on whether what he is doing is right or whether or not I would do the same. In the end , all of us (including dnegs) are largely unimportant on an individual basis and just each trying to find our way thru the world

But to make the universal statement that dnegs does not understand online poker is akin to saying the SVP of Markting at BMW USA does not understand the car business because he can't understand fluid mechanics when discussing transmissions when discussing the car business.

But that's all sub sub topic

Important topic is effect of all this on people's livelihood.

When I first delved into this I assumed stars didn't really need you all so you were all kinda screwed .

Now that I think I know why they rolled this out in such a caustic way , Baazov might need you all more then even you all realize, at least in Q1 maybe Q2 as well.

I agree. And for negs to say strike has Zero impact on their bottom line is pure spin.

Also it's prob more theoretically practical to compare him to a Paid actor who gets to be on a BMW advert than SVP of marketing.

The 3-day protest in and of itself was sort of meh as to why AYA needs y'all in Q1, but was directionally correct.

I agree with your better analogy of a paid endorser , but think that dnegs is more of a jayz than a flava fav if it's ok to skip to a hip hop example.

As someone stated before 2p2 has some of the worst analogies ever utterd..
Dneg isnt the type to sugar coat anything so Im sure he appreciates being talked to straight, and joey was going over basic concepts that $2NL players understand and Dneg was confused as ish and talking about things that had nothing to do with anything. I was equally shocked to hear some of his responses.

Its hard for someone to argue a point they dont understand if you thought joey and anski were hard on him imagine a room of executives trying to interpret Dnegs point.