I looked at the doc and it is amazing, and my first thought was "yep, he's a Euro, he has the date format as Day/Month not Month/Day"
I saw 1/6 and thought of January 6th.

In addition to bomb pots, you have things like mandatory straddles/restraddle, 27 game, stand up game, 5 card PLO, etc. All these thinks force people to gamble above the normal stakes of the game.

I understand why people who have been playing NLHE forever would want to add these things, because it’s reasonable for them to feel like NLHE has become boring and “solved”.

But these things are also going to be very intimidating to new players who are just starting to dip their toes into the poker waters and only want to risk their money slowly while they are learning.

It seems like the the poker economy has become entirely oriented toward trying to ge whales to throw as much money into the pot as fast as possible instead of growing the game from the ground up.

I love the WSOP, and think it is one of the few organizations that has been pretty consistent in keeping a good balance between appealing to casual and professional players. It’s also been great at continuing to promote poker variants that have died out allmost everywhere else (despite the fact that many of these variants are hitting attendance records as consistently as NLHE). I’d just hate to see this balance upset.

Does it say anywhere on the chart what games will be at which location?

What chart are you referring to? Do you mean the spreadsheet Hallaert puts together? Are you asking if it shows which casino the WSOP events will be at or are you asking about other poker series’?

When you have dug yourself into a hole too deep to get out of, STOP DIGGING.

Isn't that actually the exact opposite of what short deck and PLO offer? Don't equities run a lot tighter in those variants? A lot of the gimmicky variants seem designed to cater to the weaker players by being more gamble-oriented. I thought the whole reason why short deck became a thing for a while is because the game is friendlier for weaker players since the edges are tighter.

I also think your post is off the mark when the WSOP has steadily been lowering its buy-ins to cater to new/rec players. If I'm not mistaken, they didn't have any events below the $1k-1.5k price point in the 90s/00s. Now the schedule is loaded with stuff in the $600 range. I feel like that's a good example of "growing the game from the ground up" by offering players a ramp into the higher buy-ins. If anything, WSOP has become too casual and rec-friendly. It's a "prestigious" series where you can go play a $600 bracelet event with 30 minute levels.

I am NOT a tourney guy, so please, hold back the snark.
The Salute to Warriors $500 tourney is something I would like to do seeing as my son has joined the Army National Guard.
Plus, a WSOP tourney is certainly a bucket list item for me.

how can I register without having to deal with the stories we hear of hours long lines?
I'll be in Vegas a full week before it starts, so I should be able to target the best time.

Any help would be appreciated.

Oh, and your best Cliffs Notes for making it to Day 2?

Register the night before. It's really that easy.

You hear all these horror stories about people waiting in line for hours.

Most of the time, it's lazy clowns who waited until the day of the event to register.

The WSOP cage is open 24/7. Crowds at the WSOP die out around 8-9 PM after late reg closes and most people have busted their events.

So just go to the cage the night before the tournament around 9-10 PM with your $500. I doubt you'll be in line for more than 10 minutes.

Thank you so much, I appreciate it.

Being gamble-oriented might appeal to whales, but it doesn’t appeal to most new and casual players, for whom the prospect of gambling for significant money is intimidating. The times when poker was most successful at bringing in a new audience was when it’s association with “gambling” was de-emphasized in favor of it being marketed for both its social and strategic aspects.

And I specifically said the WSOP -has- been quite good at catering to newer and more casual players; I just thinks it’s swimming against the grain compared to the direction poker has taken more generally.

So are we going to have two 2024 wsop threads going then?

Makes a lot of sense..

The game you described is very different than what me and a bunch of other posters told you that we see normally.
Yes we've all seen bingo games but not nearly at the rate you claim.

I've never played where you play so maybe it really is like that there.

More likely you just played a couple of times and it just happened to be that way those times.

Next time you're in Vegas if you want to try the opposite of the bingo game play 1/2 plo at Aria or Wynn. The game generally plays way nittier than plo elsewhere.

Nobody is forced to play those games and the vast majority of games don't have any of those things you mentioned. Even in places where 5 card plo is popular there might be 3-4 5 card plo games and a bunch of hold em games.

Right at this moment Maryland Live has four total 5 card plo games,one limit Omaha game and 19 nl hold em games.
MGM National harbor has 36 NL games and four 5 card plo games.

This area is an area where 5 card plo is popular and still between the 2 places there are eight 5 card plo games and 57 nl games. And 7 of the 8 plo games are 1/2. Nobody is being forced to gamble big.

People who actually want to gamble are sick and tired of 2 blind nitty nl which is why the other things exist but the majority of poker these days is still 2 blind nl and 1/2 (or 1/3) NL at that.

There are wayyyy less poker whales than 10 years ago bc they just get slaughtered in 2 blind nl by tight solid ranges. Adding other elements to the game forces other people,not the whales to at least gamble a little with them.

Kevmath posted some info about this. 100 new tables which will be dedicated to dailies which ate up Ballroom space in the Horeshoe prior.

Where are they putting the 100 new tables?

We get it, your heart bleeds for the “intimidated newbie” poker player lol.

But that’s precisely what the Daily Deepstacks are for. “Intimidated newbies” aren’t firing $1.5K+ bullets in crazy mixed game variants.

You can sleep soundly now!

I certainly agree about the Daily tournaments at the WSOP. But the $1500 LO8 and Mixed O8 tournaments each got about 1,100 players last year. And that even after they eliminated the SNGs for these events. I doubt there are 1,100 experienced LO8 players in the world.

Who cares. Everything doesn't have to be 2 card torture. It's already the vast majority of the schedule as it is.

Well I completely agree with that too. That’s why I love that the WSOP spreads tournaments of so many different variants. The entire point of my last post was that many people get their first real exposure to some of these variants through these tournaments. NLHE may still the majority of the WSOP schedule, but it’s a much smaller majority than basically any other tournament series.

A $1500 HORSE tournament will probably be a much better experience for new players than a NLHE cash game with a similar buy-in, since in the tournament you are guaranteed to be able to play for several hours in many different poker games, while in the NLHE game you might lose your whole stack on the first hand. (And you are much more likely to lose your stack on the first hand if it’s a PLO bomb pot!)

Has anyone checked to see what events from the 2023 WSOP are -not- on the 2024 schedule?

Mixed game tournaments are like being in heaven, hold'em tournaments are like working a minwage job

Any info on when the summer schedules for the other venues will come out?

Going to have a much better chance at winning a nlh tournament though, even if there is a possibility you bust out in the first few hands.

This is not true actually, at least for WSOP events where NL fields are much larger

Does the Horseshoe poker room stay open during the WS? Will be in town for a conference and then staying a few extra days. Booked a room a while back.