Love that he does this every year. Such a handy resource

What else would it be?

They mentioned 700 tables available this year, anyone remember what it was last year? Thought it was closer to 600.

The past few years there have been PLO double-bord bomb pot games in the Kings Lounge; why not have a tournament?

Stick to limit Hold'em

I’m not sure, I guess I’ve just never heard of a game where every hand was a double board bomb pot. Honestly, my experience with these is mostly just waltching them as occassional gimmicks in games played by poker vloggers where it seems like you have four people all-in every bomb pot. So it seems like this would be a very fast tournament to say the least.

People are really bad at them. I'm actually amazed at how bad a lot of regs in Vegas are at them considering they play them all the time.

An entire game of them tends to play slow but I kinda like the idea for a tournament.

Anything that hasn't been solved and studied to death Is worth trying.

I'd say that is the understatement of the year ... people are HORRIBLE at them, honestly can't count the number of times i get my money in with a stone cold lock for one side and a good draw on the other, while 2 other guys are having one pair or just draws on both sides.

the announcement for the wsop tourney for it just made my day !!!

I don’t know what it was but I just read this in an article about event #62:

“The PokerNews DeepStack Championship will take place in a new and vibrant location near the Horseshoe poker room. Organizers are committed to creating an immersive experience that goes beyond the felt, elevating the overall atmosphere for players.”

I'm confused, it looks like 3 flights (1A, 1B, 1C) for Colossus on Fri 28-Sun 30, when does the tournament expect to finish? Or is it a 3 day tournament ending Sunday?

Colossus would end on Tuesday, 2 days after the final day 1.

Day 1A, 1B, 1C (Day 1 of tournament)
Day 2
Day 3

Ok that makes sense.

What is the SPR on the flop for a typical bomb pot? My impression from the vlogs I’ve seen is that everyone is often putting in like $50 off a 1k stack, which yields an SPR of ~2. Given this, 4 people getting all-in given you have 2 boards and so many PLO hands have so much equity doesn’t seem unreasonable.

But this just strikes me as a terrible tournament game unless you’re just trying to play something close to a flip-and-go. You’re just forced to put in so much of your stack with a random hand all the time. If you get down to like 3-4x the ante, you’re basically just forced to go all-in with anything. (BTW, if you have less than the ante, are you eligible to win to whole ante, or is it split into side pots?)

And wasn’t the whole point of adopting big blind ante that hands where everyone had to put in money just delayed the game too much?

^^old man shaking his fists at clouds? ��

Depends.
The 1/2 plo games in Vegas generally do 20 dollars per player but I've occasionally seen 10 or 15.

The 5/5 games are 25 or 50.

I've definitely been in games where the spr is 2:1. Those games tend to be a lot of people who short stack and play nitty so they fold too much in them even though they dont need a ton of equity to continue..

Then there are deep stacked games where the spr is anywhere from 10 or 20 to 1 and people go way overboard trying to protect one board where they can't possibly win the other board.

While individually in cash games double board bomb pot hands do take longer, tournament hands tend to take longer than cash hands with all of the nonsensical tanking. In double board bomb pots people are going to get eliminated faster than in traditional tournaments so overall the tournaments should go pretty quickly.

You're right people will be forced to gamble. And this format will attract people who like to gamble. I fail to see how that's a bad thing.

If you get down to 3 BB in a normal tournament you're often forced to just go all in with whatever so I don't see this as being much different except it will be on the flop rather than prefop.


I mean I would agree the shallower people are the less interesting this format of poker is,but that's the same for all forms of big bet poker.

I mean we've seen tournaments where the real pay jumps are determined by 8 big blind poker k8 offsuit vs ace 3 offsuit type stuff preflop. It's not like there's exactly a ton of room for play at the end of tournaments as it is. That's not remotely interesting.

As it happens, I already had this in my files.

I've played one bomb pot tourney and thought it was a bit ****

Not opposed to trying something new at wsop though

Not sure where that would be but potentially could be inside the Jubilee Theater? Maybe there's no show running there currently?

Wow, I didn’t imagine people would be so sensitive about my skepticism toward bomb pot tournaments. I had never heard of these, but if they have actually been successfully run in other places in the past, then of course it’s reasonable for the WSOP to try it as well.

It’s still part of a worrying trend to me that so many of the new innovations in poker have made the game less friendly to new players (in the sense that they have a tendency to force players to gamble more money than they are comfortable with and frequently lose it very quickly).

I lol’d

fwiw i'm not even saying it will be a success or it's a great idea but it's worth trying. there's really only one way to find out how good of an idea it really is and that's to do it.

What innovations are you referring to specifically?
Nobody is forced to gamble more than they're comfortable with. There are plenty of low gamble/no gamble games out there.
But it's pretty clear gambling type innovations have happened bc some people actually want to gamble and not be sliced up by tanking gto pros regurgitating solver outputs.

I'm a big fan of trying new things in poker that could be fun, involve people actually gambling, and having to figure things out on their own.

lets make this short:
doing a bomb pot tourney at wsop is a no brainer ... the game picks up popularity in cash games, so give the people what they want - easy.
and i'm gonna win it, so pls pls all you guys participate ... bigger pricepool ;-)

I've decided that I'm gonna take a step forward in maturity and NOT whine this year about PokerGo.
Last summer I found out what it is and for me to continue to complain is pointless and stupid.
I made my thoughts known last year, and I know what I am going to be getting into when I sign up again in late May.
Look at me . . . I'm growing.

I'll be in Vegas from June 19th thru July 2nd, mostly playing at Caesar's, Bellagio, and Horseshoe,
and Golden Nugget on the Saturdays to soak in the real degeneracy of Fremont st
No tournaments, just gonna wake up watch the Euro Cup games, then play cash games nursing a strong buzz all day long,
meeting people from around the world, I'll be the guy wearing the Bear's Ditka jersey every few days
wondering how I'm considered too TAGgy back home and feel like a borderline maniac at 1-3 in Vegas

There are worse ways to spend 2 weeks.

I identify as a US resident.

Is that enough?

(did I just drop chum into the waters of TwoPlusTwo)

There was a weekly PLO tourney at my room back in Chicago a few years ago
The minute I saw they were starting it, I joked, "just fold the first two orbits and you'll find yourself heads up and get paid"

They only held the tourney 3 times before cancelling it.

I'm told PLO is a real game and not bingo, but in the Chicago area, at the 1-2 level well over half the pots are multiway all ins PRE.
I've sat in the game a few times as a curiosity and it's a joke.

I've been taught and shamed by people here about my PLO views, including the great Greg Raymer himself, and I have come to accept that when you get to the higher stakes, it actually becomes a game. I'll never have the money or cohones to play in a high stakes PLO game. As Clint Eastwood taught us, "a man has to know his limits"

I would LOVE to watch a PLO double board bomb pot tourney, it would just be hysterical and fascinating