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It just seems like the TDA has conflicting rules based on what they're looking to pass off as their established merit behind them.

Remember Dario Sammartino's TT hand deep in the main in 2019?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZz21KSslCE

"It's a game of observation"
"Player responsibility"
etc. etc. etc.

Now we have this hand where a player failed to observe that Daniel was in the hand, and he gets rewarded for it. I get it that there's an established rule and the ruling was technically correct, but you're either putting the "Game of observation" card into effect or you're not. Choose one side.

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Today , 02:27 PM

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Rawlz517

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You are comparing two extremely different situations and rules.

I keep seeing that would all over the X threads, "rewarded". How was he rewarded? He lost the right to contest to a pot that 99% of the time goes to the flop without him needing to put anymore money in. That's a reward these days?

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Today , 02:35 PM

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WPNdonk

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 135

It's certainly a very good outcome for Daniel if he had anything other than a big pocket pair. Way more + ev than if the guy hadn't accidentally mucked.

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Loctus

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Saw someone on twitter point out that if you 3b someone and see someone loading up the 4b you could just snap muck and basically get your 3b back lol.

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Today , 02:42 PM

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Defarse

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Originally Posted by Loctus

Saw someone on twitter point out that if you 3b someone and see someone loading up the 4b you could just snap muck and basically get your 3b back lol.

That someone was Jonathan Little and was posted in this thread.

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Today , 02:43 PM

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blakeatron

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Originally Posted by Rawlz517

He made a mistake and didn't realize another person had a live hand. He had put more big blinds into the pot than he was forced to pay after the ruling. That is rewarding a mistake that a player made due to his failure to observe the action.

Whether or not he gets to play for the pot or not is not even a question since he mucked his hand.

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Today , 03:34 PM

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ledn

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,139

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Originally Posted by WPNdonk

I mean he did lose the pot, that's something of a punishment and it's obviously a very clear mistake and not an angle in this particular situation.

Seems like Daniel is just frustrated at this point not sure how anyone can say this was a horrible ruling.

If he went all in and Daniel had wanted to call I think they should try and retrieve the cards if possible.

They could have retrieved the cards anyways if possible. Being allin or not had nothing to do with that.

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Today , 03:35 PM

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WPNdonk

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 135

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Originally Posted by Loctus

Saw someone on twitter point out that if you 3b someone and see someone loading up the 4b you could just snap muck and basically get your 3b back lol.

That's assuming they aren't using any judgment in making a ruling. If someone is clearly trying to angle I'd expect a much different result.

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