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Originally Posted by xoxoxo
Would have loved to see Ivey on the list.
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I know this has been covered many previous times on this topic, but attempting to discuss the Poker Hall of Fame always frustrates me, because we flat-out have incomplete information. We don't really know what people did in cash games, and we only know the wins (without the losses) when it comes to tournaments.
I won't go further on that subject because, again, that road has been traversed too many times already.
From my age group and my part of the country, casual baseball fans are aghast that Will Clark is not the Baseball HOF. They simply can't believe it. As kids in Northern California, they saw Clark as a diamond god. (Poker fish Jose Canseco was the counterpart, but the Oakland fan base is smaller, plus his many falls from grace have tarnished what could have been similar memories.)
But if I show these fans Clark's overall credentials, they're actually surprised to see where he actually rates on the all-time baseball ziggurat. Good player? For sure. Six-time All-Star, MVP candidate for several years running, lifetime .303 hitter. Certainly had some HOF-caliber moments and seasons, but Will The Thrill's overall body of work just does not measure up to the standards for Cooperstown.
And it makes sense. My age group had to search a little more to locate the empirical data, and casual baseball fans were not the type to pore over the Baseball Register or the Baseball Encyclopedia. Thus, their knowledge tends to be more visceral, sometimes anecdotal, and lousy with the exposure effect. In their minds, Will Clark is on some sort of baseball Mt. Rushmore for those individuals because he flourished at just the right time and in just the right place for their memories.
[Note: somewhere in Wisconsin, a bunch of fortysomethings feel EXACTLY the same way about Cecil Cooper. And I'm certain there is a version of this for every sport, every age group, every vicinity around the world.]
Now imagine if we did not have a Baseball Encyclopedia or a Baseball-Reference.com to consult. No baseball cards from the era that we can flip over and show to make our points. In fact, imagine if baseball did not keep the meticulous statistical data that it does. Now think how hard it would be to discuss the Hall of Fame merits of any player without having that data.
Yet this is what we seem to deal with when it comes to the Poker Hall of Fame. In the same way that time and geography puts a premium on Clark to my NorCal baseball friends, the TV boom make personalities from the early to mid-2000s loom larger in our memories than equally accomplished players from other eras.
And without data to support either side of any argument, any talk about a player's Poker HOF credentials ultimately comes down to "I remember..." –*both from fans and fellow players alike.