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Old 07-17-2012, 04:43 AM   #151
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tamiller no one is saying that the PPA is perfect but the alternative that you are proposing makes no sense bro
I completely respect that opinion.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:06 AM   #152
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Ah democracy, where the whims of two billionaires outweigh the influence of an organization with over a million members.
it's sickening..
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:16 AM   #153
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I would love it if online poker was regulated this year, but these cyber security bills that keep getting introduced are so far universally horrible. (Remember SOPA?) Poker getting attached to one would be a tragedy since there's a very good chance that the entire internet will be opposed to the bill.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:03 PM   #154
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I find myself less and less excited for these sweat threads considering how it usually turns out. Not only that but once legislation is actually passed, it will take a while before reaching the point where the online poker sites are in full swing for American players, and even then once it is, I expect some rather terrible vig and rather absurd taxation policies for players... and that's after the 1-3+ years it takes to even fine tune everything.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:09 PM   #155
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That's not to say I'm not hoping for legislative change obviously, but the perspective through which it comes seems rather unrealistic on these forums.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:16 PM   #156
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Re: **2 Key U.S Senators want to pass a poker bill by the end of 2012: Official Sweat/Discussio

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As excited as I am to potentially get poker legislation at last, the bill it may be attached to isn't super great. I suppose it would be better than the bill passing without a poker attachment, but I'd still feel dirty about it. Hopefully I would soon have piles of money to soothe my conscience, though.

Anyway, I'm not super-savvy when it comes to the ins and outs of politics, but is it possible that Reid will be making a big push to get poker attached to this bill in order to avoid the possibility of stalling out at the 11th hour like in 2010?
If he can frame this as something that is good for the people he's trying to garnish support from (campaign donations will flow by passing) then it's likely it can get passed and if he can do exactly what was done with the first UIGEA then I think he will. For those of you that don't know, the first UIGEA was snuck onto the Safe Port Act and silently slid right through into law.

Hopefully this happens with our bill.

It would make very much sense that those discussions would happen behind closed doors, as well.

To me this is starting to feel like a very real possibility and instead of being open about it they're closing down and making changes in private to avoid any anti-lobbying once the nature of modifications are discovered.

Basically, the problem with our issue is every time it's brought up there are tons of organizations and corporations that don't want this being brought up and promptly make statements against it and anybody who relies on those groups or friends of those groups for some type of funding will crumble.

If they can make it very quiet and get the bill passed by focusing on the issues that people WILL vote for, then it's a definite possibility; just have to avoid the crumbling and shooting down of the bill.

ps: real talk, took 3 years of poli sci at university
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:20 PM   #157
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I refuse to get excited about this or think it has any chance of happening.

OP you and your brethren in the politics forum are the biggest ****-teases in the history of online poker.

I'll believe it when I see the POTUS sign it.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:29 PM   #158
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I refuse to get excited about this or think it has any chance of happening.

OP you and your brethren in the politics forum are the biggest ****-teases in the history of online poker.

I'll believe it when I see the POTUS sign it.
How often do you think the POTUS signs a bill that some people haven't fought for years to get passed?

It is a "tease" only if you think you have no role in whether or not you get the result desired.

It is an "opportunity" if you think that you do have a role to play in determining the result.

It is easy to be passive about things in life that you do not have direct control over. It also means that you give up the chance of having an influence even if your level of influence does not rise to the level of "control."

I generally prefer to try and influence the outcome of events I consider important rather than simply sit passively and let them happen.

Others can make different choices.

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Old 07-17-2012, 12:32 PM   #159
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And join in on the Daily Action plan in the Legislation forum. If you have twitter, you simply click to send pre-filled tweets. It certainly can't hurt and it does give you more of a right to complain about the current state of affairs imo...
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:41 PM   #160
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People like Lirva spread potentially harmful misinformation. His posts are generally pretty inaccurate. That's all I'll say.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:43 PM   #161
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And join in on the Daily Action plan in the Legislation forum. If you have twitter, you simply click to send pre-filled tweets. It certainly can't hurt and it does give you more of a right to complain about the current state of affairs imo...
Orly?

Do you think it would have helped Bill Frist effort to attach the UIGEA to a piece of must pass legislation for religious and family value groups to have launched a social media blitz supporting that bill in July 2006?

Isn't it even possible that had they done so, more poker players would have risen up to support their 'right' to play the game online?
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:51 PM   #162
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Wild assumptions. What makes you think rake will be reasonable? What makes you think competition will be ample? You know they're going to restrict what sites we can play on and what sites can serve us, right? You know this is taking away our freedom, right? You know this isn't the legalize online poker act, but the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement II act, right? Did you like the UIGEA? Did you think it went far enough to prohibit online gambling? I sure hope so, cause they're going to go further and prohibit more if they pass this bill.

So in your "zomg raking in 80 big blinds per hundred sustainable!!!" fantasy land, how much is the government taking out of your winnings? You know they are going to claim the right to arbitrarily raise their taxation right? You know how it really ****ing sucks when a poker site all of a sudden raises their rake, even just a tiny amount? Well imagine all the poker sites doing that to you collectively. That's what it's going to be like when the government is taxing online poker and decides instead of reducing spending they want to raise taxes.

Online poker is going to be the first to see taxes raised on.

Your winnings are going to be taxed as income. Did you know that the supreme court has ruled that the government can tax you 100% of your income? Politicians consider leaving you a percentage of your income a 'courtesy'. Don't you think that's wrong? Don't you think this has very bad implications for online poker?

Wow, that's a whole bunch of paranoid rhetorical questions. Well done.

First, you do realize that Screamin Asian actually has the capacity for humour/sarcasm. Your rant is in response to a joke.

And yes, gambling winnings, like all income, is taxable in this country now, in the past, and in the future.

Med check imo
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:51 PM   #163
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Re: **2 Key U.S Senators want to pass a poker bill by the end of 2012: Official Sweat/Discussio

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Orly?

Do you think it would have helped Bill Frist effort to attach the UIGEA to a piece of must pass legislation for religious and family value groups to have launched a social media blitz supporting that bill in July 2006?

Isn't it even possible that had they done so, more poker players would have risen up to support their 'right' to play the game online?


Watching you continue to attempt to get people to see this your way all the way through December would be pretty funny.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:54 PM   #164
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Orly?

Do you think it would have helped Bill Frist effort to attach the UIGEA to a piece of must pass legislation for religious and family value groups to have launched a social media blitz supporting that bill in July 2006?

Isn't it even possible that had they done so, more poker players would have risen up to support their 'right' to play the game online?
I honestly don't get your point and am, yet again, struck by the thought when reading your posts, "He must be the smartest moron in the world." No offense.

Our political/legislative system, despite it's flaws, is based on the representation of the people. Part of that, is telling our lawmakers what we want. Is it that simple? No. Is it better to say nothing because we are fifth-level thinkers and doing so is actually a detriment to our real wants? I think not, but then again i am no match for you
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:27 PM   #165
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Watching you continue to attempt to get people to see this your way all the way through December would be pretty funny.

Sadly, I believe they will have woken the sleeping giant of hypocrisy long before December.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:30 PM   #166
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Guess I will be the first...




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Old 07-17-2012, 01:31 PM   #167
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Re: **2 Key U.S Senators want to pass a poker bill by the end of 2012: Official Sweat/Discussio

xpost from poker leg. Chris Krafcik is very reliable:

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I interviewed a number of gaming lobbyists on Capitol Hill last/this week re: how prospective Reid-Kyl bill will handle ‪#lottery issues.

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[1] Lotteries are concerned that the prospective Reid-Kyl bill will attempt to limit their ability to offer ‪#Internet‪#gambling.


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[2] Lobbyists said lottery retailer and commercial gaming trade groups want to limit lotteries' ability to offer ‪#Internet‪#gambling.


57mChris Krafcik ‏@CKrafcik
[3] Lobbyists said more state governors will back lotteries if lottery retailer and commercial gaming trade group resistance stiffens.


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[4] One lobbyist said: "I think that if lotteries can't get states to rush into I-gaming, I think the federal case may get stronger."


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[5] Lobbyists said they had not seen a copy of the prospective Reid-Kyl bill but that it may drop during the expected lame duck session.


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More on the escalating ‪#lobbying conflict between lotteries, lottery retailers and commercial gaming interests on @GamblingComp this week.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:36 PM   #168
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I honestly don't get your point and am, yet again, struck by the thought when reading your posts, "He must be the smartest moron in the world." No offense.

Our political/legislative system, despite it's flaws, is based on the representation of the people. Part of that, is telling our lawmakers what we want. Is it that simple? No. Is it better to say nothing because we are fifth-level thinkers and doing so is actually a detriment to our real wants? I think not, but then again i am no match for you
Politics is like War, but mounting your twitter horse and shouting "the poker is coming, the poker is coming" is not going to make you the Paul Revere of this battle, because we are the invading army.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:56 PM   #169
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Maybe part of your secret genius is that you never make a cogent point. I'm baffled by your metaphor and can only assume you mean to tell me we are playing a real-life version of the opposite game.

Hear me now politicians: WE DO NOT WANT REGULATED POKER.....(wink wink)
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solid tweets from chris, as always
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:07 PM   #171
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Thanks for the updates as always guys. This might be one big last sweat for awhile.
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Old 07-17-2012, 05:19 PM   #172
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Re: **2 Key U.S Senators want to pass a poker bill by the end of 2012: Official Sweat/Discussio

BREAKING: The National Journal getting some tidbits from Reid and Kyl:

Reid, Kyl Close to Online Gambling Deal


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"Here's the issue, Sen. Kyl and I've worked very hard. What we need to do is get some Republican support. That hasn't been forthcoming yet," Reid told Tech Daily Dose on Tuesday. He did not elaborate on where negotiations stand, but a Democratic aide said Reid and Kyl are close to a deal and are now trying to solicit GOP support.

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Kyl said Monday that federal lawmakers need to clarify what the law is in the wake of the Justice Department's new interpretation of the Wire Act. "It's an opportunity to go back and revise the Wire Act, make sure that everybody knows that it applies to Internet gambling," he said.
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Old 07-17-2012, 05:21 PM   #173
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Ty Dr. Jones
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Old 07-17-2012, 05:30 PM   #174
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that article is on point. there's good traction here.
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Old 07-17-2012, 05:33 PM   #175
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BREAKING: The National Journal getting some tidbits from Reid and Kyl:

Reid, Kyl Close to Online Gambling Deal



Would be great if we could target repub senators in the action plan with this.
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