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Old 07-16-2012, 11:34 PM   #126
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I see that Lirva has stumbled his way in here. For those that would like to read this thread without his repeated political rantings and anti-PPA, rhetoric I would advise:

Yeah! How dare he voice a contrary opinion! What nerve!

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Old 07-16-2012, 11:37 PM   #127
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Yeah! How dare he voice a contrary opinion! What nerve!

Go team!
Notice I didn't ask the mods to remove his posts. He can opinionize away, but I am going to give people a chance to coherently read this thread without his derailments.


Do a quick search on his posting history on the poker leg forum and get back to me. I know I am being really hard on the guy but he has repeatedly done this.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:42 PM   #128
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slugger, imagine if my entrance to this thread were

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I see that slugger is posting in here. For those that would like to read this thread without his repeated political rantings and pro-PPA, rhetoric I would advise:



Would you find that an appropriate post? Why are you responding to me in such a manner? Quite inappropriate imo.

I really like how you rebutted my points.


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Old 07-16-2012, 11:44 PM   #129
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Notice I didn't ask the mods to remove his posts. He can opinionize away, but I am going to give people a chance to coherently read this thread without his derailments.

No, that was kinda trolling what you did there. People can read the thread without you suggesting they ignore someone, and they can form their own individual opinions.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:49 PM   #130
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slugger, imagine if my entrance to this thread were


Would you find that an appropriate post? Why are you responding to me in such a manner? Quite inappropriate imo.

I really like how you rebutted my points.


I wonder how many 2+2ers could even say where I stand politically.


As far as rebutting your ongoing duplicate points I have done so in this thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...uggger5x+lirva

and this one:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...uggger5x+lirva

and this one:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...uggger5x+lirva

and this one:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...uggger5x+lirva

and this one:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...uggger5x+lirva


I'm really sorry for being harsh to you man but can't you see why a find it a little redundant that you repeatedly do this?

Why don't we just refer folks to these several threads you have already made and save this thread the headache? Can we do that?
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:53 PM   #131
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No, I think I'm going to be participating in this thread, thanks.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:03 AM   #132
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Ah shame on me for attempting some kind of a compromise with you. I know that's not how you roll.

Anyways we'll let the mods sort out the mess that you will probably create and I'll just put you back on ignore.

Again, not trying to being a jerk. I hope you can see why I reacted that way.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:10 AM   #133
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Trolling me? Not really cool man.

A poster posts in a thread and someone responds saying people should ignore them, that's trolling.

And yes, I understand the collectivism as well. Individual expression and thought is discouraged, I get that. That's why you and so many other PPA supporters act the way you do towards me.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:33 AM   #134
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Notice I didn't ask the mods to remove his posts. He can opinionize away, but I am going to give people a chance to coherently read this thread without his derailments.


Do a quick search on his posting history on the poker leg forum and get back to me. I know I am being really hard on the guy but he has repeatedly done this.
I'm well aware of his posting history, in numerous forums.

Heh, lol @ you for offering that "compromise". Good politicking. You'd think that enough of these threads have come and gone for you to develop a thicker skin with anti-PPA people. Regardless, let's make it clear here that not everybody thinks the PPA is good for poker.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:29 AM   #135
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The whole idea is to 'sneak' it through under the umbrella of another piece of 'must pass' legislation ala the Safe Port Act, only the House actually debated and voted on a free standing version of that (UIGEA) bill.

This thread and any other 'Daily Action' attention given to the movement of this bill has the production value of putting up "One Time, Yankees!" signs on the beaches of Normandy months before the operation.
Would you just stop spewing useless bull**** already?

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Old 07-17-2012, 01:53 AM   #136
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Getting back on track...

I signed the petition. Oh come ON already.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:05 AM   #137
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Okay, potentially huge news? I just found this. Apologize if repost, don't want to sift through the bitching and moaning over last couple pages.

Woops, link: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...-of-next-weekq

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"[Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid has been really definitive and I appreciate that. We're going to go to the cybersecurity bill by the end of next week," said Lieberman. "We're working to put together a draft for him. We're trying to get as much agreement as we can on the two more controversial parts, information sharing and what I call standards, or performance requirements."


Lieberman said he's "inclined" to include some of the elements of a compromise framework that Sens. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) have been working on for the critical infrastructure provisions in the bill, but no final decisions have been made. "
Whaa? They're both mentioned in the same article, perhaps some agreements have been made and the sneaky peaky on the Cybersecurity bill is in effect? Of course, total speculation and no basis for fact - but, this IS nvg, so let's gossip.

But yeah, that'd be cool, right?
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:13 AM   #138
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Get it done imo
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:15 AM   #139
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Would you just stop spewing useless bull**** already?

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My opinions will only be worthless if the PPA and it's lemmings continue to ignore them, which is something I can't control.

But your remarks tend to be inherently counter productive, such as even your "Location: Can't play until poker is regulated" This is not true, and is exactly the wrong message to be sending.

There are multiple sites which accept deposits from Americans you can play poker on, and if "I'll only play on Stars" is the attitude, bad news, PokerStars.com is not going to be available under this legislation.

Phil Galfond sent a tweet this week: "Happy to be leaving the US so I can play online poker, will miss all the 'freedom' though", which is exactly the kind of things we should be saying.

They will pass regulation if the consensus is that we are playing anyway so they might as well tax it, banging your keyboard and refusing to play is as effective as holding your breath and refusing to drink alcohol until prohibition is lifted.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:29 AM   #140
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Okay, potentially huge news? I just found this. Apologize if repost, don't want to sift through the bitching and moaning over last couple pages.

Woops, link: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...-of-next-weekq
Nice find. My gut tells me that poker isn't on the agenda until after the election but if this cybersecurity bill somehow gets to a Senate vote before recess in 3 weeks I suppose there could be a shot. Wishful thinking though.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:44 AM   #141
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Mid 2014 seems so far away..

Will continue to do what I can, however.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:49 AM   #142
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As excited as I am to potentially get poker legislation at last, the bill it may be attached to isn't super great. I suppose it would be better than the bill passing without a poker attachment, but I'd still feel dirty about it. Hopefully I would soon have piles of money to soothe my conscience, though.

Anyway, I'm not super-savvy when it comes to the ins and outs of politics, but is it possible that Reid will be making a big push to get poker attached to this bill in order to avoid the possibility of stalling out at the 11th hour like in 2010?
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:27 AM   #143
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My opinions will only be worthless if the PPA and it's lemmings continue to ignore them, which is something I can't control.

But your remarks tend to be inherently counter productive, such as even your "Location: Can't play until poker is regulated" This is not true, and is exactly the wrong message to be sending.

There are multiple sites which accept deposits from Americans you can play poker on, and if "I'll only play on Stars" is the attitude, bad news, PokerStars.com is not going to be available under this legislation.

Phil Galfond sent a tweet this week: "Happy to be leaving the US so I can play online poker, will miss all the 'freedom' though", which is exactly the kind of things we should be saying.

They will pass regulation if the consensus is that we are playing anyway so they might as well tax it, banging your keyboard and refusing to play is as effective as holding your breath and refusing to drink alcohol until prohibition is lifted.
Ok. I'll quit my job, sell my house and move out of the country with Phil.

I'll also request the mods to allow more characters in my location text so that I may change it to: "won't play online when the only options available to me are small sites with shaky fund transfer options and shady owners who might well be in the crosshairs of the DOJ, which effectively means that I can't play online."

I'll also note that "tending to agree with the PPA" actually means "PPA lemming."
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:40 AM   #144
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Ah shame on me for attempting some kind of a compromise with you. I know that's not how you roll.

Anyways we'll let the mods sort out the mess that you will probably create and I'll just put you back on ignore.

Again, not trying to being a jerk. I hope you can see why I reacted that way.
Slugger, don't you get it? Lirva has the truth (because hes just inherently right. Why? Because he is, thats why). Therefore he and he alone has the right to crash every thread with his own politics. If anyone opposes him, they're filthy communists/government agents.

Silly Slugger.

Seriously, if you don't add Lirva to your ignore list, you will have to listen to arguments he lifted from the "Three Cheers for Ron Paul" tumblr.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:55 AM   #145
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the compromise of prohibition of online casino gambling in return for legally-sanctioned online poker isn't even a compromise from my perspective. I never played online casino games and I don't want to. I'll support a federal ban on flushing money down the toilet if I can get anything interesting out of the compromise.

I'll voluntarily put myself in front of one of obama's death panels if this fearmongering rhetoric ends up coming anywhere close to reality.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:02 AM   #146
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the compromise of prohibition of online casino gambling in return for legally-sanctioned online poker isn't even a compromise from my perspective. I never played online casino games and I don't want to.


But you don't have the right to use the government to restrict other people's rights.

This attitude of yours is disgusting. What, you'll throw anything and anyone down the river just as long as you get something good enough out of it? That's disgusting man.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:03 AM   #147
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Ok. I'll quit my job, sell my house and move out of the country with Phil.

I'll also request the mods to allow more characters in my location text so that I may change it to: "won't play online when the only options available to me are small sites with shaky fund transfer options and shady owners who might well be in the crosshairs of the DOJ, which effectively means that I can't play online."

I'll also note that "tending to agree with the PPA" actually means "PPA lemming."
I also fit the description "tending to agree with the PPA", but because I occasionally suggest that after six years of banging their head with the same amount of force against the very same wall, they might be open to discuss a few strategy tweaks.

That "preposterous" notion is as welcomed by the PPA as Phil Helmuth might welcome the notion of implementing pot odds into his short stack tournament strategy, but at least Helmuth has 12 bracelets to point to in his rebuttal.

The list of PPA accomplishments isn't quite so remarkable.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:06 AM   #148
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But you don't have the right to use the government to restrict other people's rights.

This attitude of yours is disgusting. What, you'll throw anything and anyone down the river just as long as you get something good enough out of it? That's disgusting man.
it's the republicans that are creating the need for a compromise in the first place. if I want to get anything accomplished in this political environment I have to work with them. I don't WANT to prohibit anything, but they want to prohibit everything, so, yeah, I'll compromise to get the thing I want in return for letting them have their way with the **** I couldn't care less about.


I WILL agree, though, that I'd much rather liquidate every conservative prohibitionist in the country than compromise with them. and as soon as I get my army some future-weapons we can fight them together.

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Lirva,
I have no issue with you or your beliefs but it's really frustrating trying to get information from these threads when you post the same 10000 word **** in every single legislation thread. Obv you get some type of satisfaction from it but it would be nice if you'd stop.

There are 20 better suited threads than this one to post this stuff in. Resist the impulse to slither towards the threads that will be most seen.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:22 AM   #150
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tamiller no one is saying that the PPA is perfect but the alternative that you are proposing makes no sense bro
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