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**2 Key U.S Senators want to pass a poker bill by the end of 2012: Official Sweat/Discussion** **2 Key U.S Senators want to pass a poker bill by the end of 2012: Official Sweat/Discussion**

07-26-2012 , 04:38 PM
I'm sorry to ask this because I'm almost certain it's been answered somewhere by one of you fine folks.

But is there a way, perhaps through federal sites that foreigners would be able to play with americans or should we just forget it?
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07-26-2012 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
I think the hearing went well for the poker community. Poker is clearly on the front burner now!
Sounded quite positive if the last 20 minutes are anything to go by. Good comments about how a big player pool is essential.

Where is the report though that they kept referring to throughout?
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07-26-2012 , 05:28 PM
Tempted to use my one time.
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07-26-2012 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
I'm sorry to ask this because I'm almost certain it's been answered somewhere by one of you fine folks.

But is there a way, perhaps through federal sites that foreigners would be able to play with americans or should we just forget it?
The bill that is most likely to pass has not been made public at this time.

If you assume, as lots of people do, that the provisions will be similar to recent drafts of poker legislation, then it is likely that foreigners would not be able to play with Americans immediately, but there could be language in the bill to pool with foreign markets in the future.
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07-26-2012 , 06:13 PM
The Senate Indian Affairs Committee posted on the hearing! Let's fill up the comments! http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...6021434&type=1
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07-26-2012 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
The Senate Indian Affairs Committee posted on the hearing! Let's fill up the comments! http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...6021434&type=1
+1
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07-26-2012 , 07:54 PM
PPA just posted the hearing video: http://theppa.org/special/us-senate-...ernet-07262012
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07-26-2012 , 11:16 PM
Sounds like a good time to quote Antonio Esfandiari: "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE "
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07-26-2012 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
**** the tribes
+1. INDIAN CASINOS ARE SO GREEDY.
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07-27-2012 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
I'm sorry to ask this because I'm almost certain it's been answered somewhere by one of you fine folks.

But is there a way, perhaps through federal sites that foreigners would be able to play with americans or should we just forget it?
i sure hope canada and the row are excluded.
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07-27-2012 , 12:52 AM
Please make an new thread when a draft comes out. Until then, we don't even know what we are sweating.

The fact that Nevada is gearing up tells me that they think there is a good chance that they will get what they want. I didn't think that was possible but it appears that way.

People are saying intrastate poker will suck. Global poker is obviously the goal. What will national poker be like?
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07-27-2012 , 12:54 AM
national poker will be mind-blowingly incredible
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07-27-2012 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
national poker will be mind-blowingly incredible
WTH is your avatar.
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07-27-2012 , 01:06 AM
stoya
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07-27-2012 , 01:14 AM
It would be nice to see more respondents supporting online poker on the Facebook link sent by Rich. Especially from some of the more well known names and thoughtful players in the poker community.
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07-28-2012 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sluggger5x
More big news. Perhaps the most transparent article we've seen yet on federal online poker legislation:

Heller: working with GOP leaders to legalize Web poker

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"It is critical that something happens this year" in Congress, Heller said. "If we get beyond this year, I think that states will have gone too far in their efforts to basically legalize everything." He said 16 states are considering legislation to legalize various forms on Internet gambling.
Heller thinks "states will have gone too far in their efforts to basically legalize everything" and that means Congress should usurp states gambling power and make all internet gambling business illegal...except what Congress wants to "legalize" and tax and exempt.

Is that a correct reading of the article? If so, why would the states be willing to give up revenue and control over most/all IG business, existing and future? What about "everything" that they (and their citizens) wanted to legalize? What response do states have available these days?
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07-28-2012 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by permafrost
Heller thinks "states will have gone too far in their efforts to basically legalize everything" and that means Congress should usurp states gambling power and make all internet gambling business illegal...except what Congress wants to "legalize" and tax and exempt.

Is that a correct reading of the article? If so, why would the states be willing to give up revenue and control over most/all IG business, existing and future? What about "everything" that they (and their citizens) wanted to legalize? What response do states have available these days?
The internet, even intrastate, is a facility of interstate commerce, so if Congress wants to ban it's use for gambling they can do it, what States can and will object to is Congress authorizing the use of the internet to wager on Horseracing and Poker (if played on a NV/NJ licensed commercial/tribal casino partnered website) but States themselves can't authorize any intrastate gambling on the internet that awards a prize more than once daily.

Federal lottery law itself was written to block States from authorizing for-profit businesses to run lotteries (Louisiana allowed a private lottery) because of the risk of corruption, and now Congress is doing a complete reversal and saying that only for-profit businesses can offer internet gambling.

They try to justify it by saying that only experienced regulators can license online gambling and only experienced casinos can offer it, but that holds as much constitutional water as saying that a truck driver has to be a 40 year old white male from Alabama or Georgia to get a CDL because of their experience watching NASCAR - live poker and internet poker regulation are different animals.
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08-01-2012 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LVpokerPRO
I've always wondered what poker would be like if regulated in the USA....
Would every table we sit at, ever penny we make and leave with, be tracked for taxes? Every transfer, etc etc show up on taxes?

Also, I don't trust Harry Reid....he's bought and paid for by Harrah's and is total scum
absolutely be tracked and taxed
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08-01-2012 , 10:07 AM
I also think US regulated online poker would end all player money transfers of any kind, since seemingly this would be an obvious way to launder some money. You try to explain to uncle sam that a 20K transfer was for a prop bet....I also dont know how they expect to get clientele from around the world....who wants to play here and pay our taxes right off the top? I also wonder what affect the flood of lawsuits being filed by every indian casino in the country against online poker will have on things.....they have a lot of money to spend on politicians whom are notoriously easily bought....I would also guess some of the states that are totally lottery dependent and addicted to the revenue will never legalize it in their state.....I dont see online poker being legal and operational prior until after the 2016 election....praying I am wrong. We are just not strong enough as a group for our voice to be heard and taken seriously yet.
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08-01-2012 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bptuneman
I also think US regulated online poker would end all player money transfers of any kind, since seemingly this would be an obvious way to launder some money.

So?

You try to explain to uncle sam that a 20K transfer was for a prop bet....

Why can't you?


I also dont know how they expect to get clientele from around the world....who wants to play here and pay our taxes right off the top?

Will players pay taxes just for depositing? I doubt it.

I also wonder what affect the flood of lawsuits being filed by every indian casino in the country against online poker will have on things....

Currently, the Indian tribes are for federal regultion..

they have a lot of money to spend on politicians whom are notoriously easily bought....I would also guess some of the states that are totally lottery dependent and addicted to the revenue will never legalize it in their state....

This is possible I guess.

I dont see online poker being legal and operational prior until after the 2016 election....praying I am wrong. We are just not strong enough as a group for our voice to be heard and taken seriously yet.

I'm not sure, but there are a lot of other factors at play besides the strength of our group.
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08-01-2012 , 11:04 AM
I think it'll pass, then x amount of time to set up infrastructure will drag for awhile..I do think "the big boom" is upon us tho..
Sites will soon have 2m+ players, illegal tax free sites will pop up, its gonna be way nuts...
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08-01-2012 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by permafrost
What about "everything" that they (and their citizens) wanted to legalize? What response do states have available these days?
Marijuana.

Online poker dominates marijuana when it comes to the GOP.
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08-01-2012 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by KingKongGrinder
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+1

If they follow the Nevada proposal taxes be paid out of company profits. Player winnings would be taxed when you file your return same as now.
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08-01-2012 , 01:00 PM
what does the recent big news of stars buying tilt have on all this, does it hint that time frame could be sooner rather then later, and what about rumors that stars would never buy fulltilt unless there was big incentive for the company as a whole, i.e. being allowed to operate within the US.
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