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Old 06-01-2021, 11:46 AM   #101
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The game of poker hasnt changed. We just play it better now than we do 20 yrs ago.

If you played like a modern high stakes crusher in 2001 then you are still a modern high stakes crusher in 2021. It just that in 2001 you were basically an alien to the poker scene.
In the Kingdom of the Blind, a one-eyed man may get sharp stick therapy.
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:27 PM   #102
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So what ranges does one use as a basis of a solution bank for a real time assistance program?
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Old 06-01-2021, 02:04 PM   #103
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well at least no suited connectors. Thomas was weirded out, even grossed out, by the fact that bts encourages their students to open hands like 87s and 65s UTG
where is the EV in that?
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Old 06-01-2021, 02:22 PM   #104
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The game of poker hasnt changed. We just play it better now than we do 20 yrs ago.

If you played like a modern high stakes crusher in 2001 then you are still a modern high stakes crusher in 2021. It just that in 2001 you were basically an alien to the poker scene.
yep, careful though u might hurt some gto no brainer bots, who still think u win money in poker by playing as gto as possible.
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Old 06-12-2021, 09:14 AM   #105
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bts encourages their students to open hands like 87s and 65s UTG
where is the EV in that?
every solved range in the world mixes opens with 87s and 65s utg
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Old 06-12-2021, 05:32 PM   #106
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"sarcasm"
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Old 06-16-2021, 03:46 PM   #107
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Lol at people thinking this guy is doing some noble thing by criticizing paid poker sites and ranges whilst promoting his own stuff.

You know what? I have a bridge to sell you guys.
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Old 06-16-2021, 05:18 PM   #108
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'Yo man I heard you lost your roll playing HSNL - what happened?'

'Ah man these guys were exploiting my inaccurate preflop ranges so hard flatting the SB vs me and opening 2.2x when my charts only had defense vs 2x, it was a blood bath '


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Imagine someone telling you in the early 2000's that this would be peak poker drama in 2021
Incredible
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Old 07-11-2021, 10:24 PM   #109
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fyi thomas (guy in video) deleted content that people paid for in his flagship product, "early access pro 2021" and repackaged it under "simp crusher" to sell again. he refused to make this right in any way, taking away a product that people had paid for and putting it behind a different paywall.

he is still advertising these products as a part of this flagship product, although they have been deleted and repackaged:

200bb SB open
200bb BU open
200bb CO open
200bb HJ open
200bb LJ open
100bb HJ open limp/~2
100bb LJ open limp/~2
100bb HJ open ~2/~2.25/~2.5
100bb LJ open ~2/~2.25/~2.5
100bb BU open
100bb + 50bb mixed stacks
100bb high rake
100bb straddle (UTG straddle)
100bb straddle (BU straddle)
Preflop GTO sims for EA2021

100bb LJ open limp/~2 exploit loose-aggressive
100bb LJ open limp/~2 exploit loose-passive
100bb HJ open limp/~2 exploit loose-aggressive
100bb HJ open limp/~2 exploit loose-passive
100bb HJ open ~2 exploit weak defence vs 3bets
Preflop Exploit sims for EA2021

when challenged on this by customers in his discord, he responded with gifs. he then deleted the discord and his youtube channel.

good lucking getting a refund.

PS
**** the obt chess channel. seriously.
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Old 07-11-2021, 10:24 PM   #110
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MOD EDIT Links Deleted

Last edited by Videopro; 07-11-2021 at 11:26 PM. Reason: Why promote his site?
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Old 07-11-2021, 11:16 PM   #111
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thomas is now deleting the accounts of people he doesn't like so they can't access the content they paid for

tbf though he is an absolute legend of preflop
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Old 07-11-2021, 11:56 PM   #112
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I for one am shocked that zenith poker turned out to be a scam. they had all those sizings!!!
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Old 07-12-2021, 12:03 AM   #113
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he seemed like such a great guy
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Old 07-13-2021, 12:17 PM   #114
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imagine paying this guy a single dollar for his content
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Old 07-13-2021, 02:38 PM   #115
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imagine paying anyone for poker content in 2021 when everything is free or 50$ software that can tell u more than best poker player in the world if u ask questions
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Old 07-13-2021, 04:44 PM   #116
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imagine paying anyone for poker content in 2021 when everything is free or 50$ software that can tell u more than best poker player in the world if u ask questions
Imagine placing 0 value on your time.

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Old 07-13-2021, 06:37 PM   #117
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I emailed Thomas a little over 24 hours ago.

"I'd like a full refund on EA 2021 since you've removed content that was
advertised as included in the purchase, and presumably have no intention of
delivering the rest of the preflop simulations which were advertised as
part of the product I purchased.

Looking forward to your timely response."

Will update here if he refunds me.

PS this is a real gem of a play and (explain)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFubZNhh-NQ
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Old 07-14-2021, 12:17 AM   #118
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I emailed Thomas a little over 24 hours ago.

"I'd like a full refund on EA 2021 since you've removed content that was
advertised as included in the purchase, and presumably have no intention of
delivering the rest of the preflop simulations which were advertised as
part of the product I purchased.

Looking forward to your timely response."

Will update here if he refunds me.

PS this is a real gem of a play and (explain)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFubZNhh-NQ
Wow. I really hope you and everyone else gets refunded properly. This is really a serious plane crash.
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Old 07-15-2021, 02:33 AM   #119
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Wow. I really hope you and everyone else gets refunded properly. This is really a serious plane crash.
haha, if youre part of a 1300 open discord group (u dont even need to post) which has a lot of overlap with the zenith group, he will ban you from his discord, website and products and wont be issuing any refunds.

The guy is that much of a narcissist hes lost the plot and is just straight up scamming people because they didnt think the above video was a good strat lol

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Old 07-15-2021, 06:26 AM   #120
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Re: Zenith Poker posts stream reviewing paid preflop charts from various sites angering creator

So obviously sharing all those paid ranges is scummy, regardless of the legality. I also didn't care for his snide attitude in the video. Furthermore, removing/denying content that people have already paid for is a big problem, one that will severely damage their reputation.

With that said, I am actually flabbergasted at how crappy some of these paid preflop charts are. I had always assumed they're expensive so they must be good right? But now I think that a lot of these other pros are ripping off novice players by charging huge sums of money for piss-poor products.
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Old 07-15-2021, 08:39 AM   #121
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So obviously sharing all those paid ranges is scummy, regardless of the legality. I also didn't care for his snide attitude in the video. Furthermore, removing/denying content that people have already paid for is a big problem, one that will severely damage their reputation.

With that said, I am actually flabbergasted at how crappy some of these paid preflop charts are. I had always assumed they're expensive so they must be good right? But now I think that a lot of these other pros are ripping off novice players by charging huge sums of money for piss-poor products.
Agreed Thomas maybe a dick but some of those carts were trash not just in utility but in overall presentation. The overnight monster chart looked like someone spent 30 minutes in excel

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Old 07-15-2021, 11:37 AM   #122
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Imagine placing 0 value on your time.

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Don't we all by posting here ?
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Old 07-16-2021, 02:31 PM   #123
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haha, if youre part of a 1300 open discord group (u dont even need to post) which has a lot of overlap with the zenith group, he will ban you from his discord, website and products and wont be issuing any refunds.
Which is the discord that will get you banned?

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Old 07-16-2021, 05:52 PM   #124
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still less of a scam than bts lol cant believe bts is evan allowed to stream on twitch, hooking new plrs with terrible deals for life almost while presenting and selling them pipe dreams, most disgusting coaching site i have ever seen, only a true bumhunter could come up with such a scheme tbh and we all know who that is.

all these scammers also selling preflop charts while other sites offering them for free rofl.
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Old 07-16-2021, 08:24 PM   #125
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I'm way more concerned about the accusation of false advertising and related fraudulent behavior than showing a few charts, which is a complete non-issue IMO.
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