IMO the OP has every right to be pissed; even if it doesn't change the 5K previous pot the floor should count the deck face up in front of the players.

As an aside, it isn't enough to just count down the deck occasionally. There could be 5 aces with 52 cards as one could be removed as one is added...so the deck needs to be counted face up in 4 groups of each suit in sequential order with all the cards visible to the players. This doesn't take too long with an experienced dealer.

As far as the seat 1 guy having his hand mucked, I never never never stand up without protecting my cards; I would put a whole stack of chips on the cards if I was standing up. If there are no chips on my cards then they are in a death-grip in my hand. Although the dealer f'ed up it is technically not his fault because of the rule "It is each player's responsibility to protect his/her hand at all times." (I see lots of new players in casinos who don't protect their hands. I used to try to be helpful and suggest they put a chip on their hand to protect it, but they usually ignore me so I stopped saying it.)

Another thing I do is, if I have the winning hand, I never release the hand until the dealer is physically pushing the chips toward me. I continue to show my hand face-up, in front of me, and hold it with a death-grip until the dealer gives me the pot.

There seems to be more and more incompetent dealers these days so you have to be on guard all the time.

I wouldnt worry much about this dude if you always flop this good you will become one rich dude. On serious notes i dont understand this floar person why could he not count the deck infront of the players? Horrible dissrespect to the players not doing what they wanted him do in that situation.

I was in a 2/5 game at their normal poker room during last years series when some local woman reg was heads up on the flop with a tourist and silently slid out a stack of 19 red with a $500 under it. Her opponent threw out a $100 bill and said call when she informed him it was $595.

He freaks, floor is called and guy is given the option of calling the bet or he could have left the $100, cashed his chips and been 86'd. Guy says he's registered in tomorrow's tourney, floor says 'Well, I guess your decision is made then.'

Never wanted to punch someone in the face before in my life, but it's nothing compared to all the crap that went down this year.

How realistic is it for poker players to insist the Rio fix these problems for next year, or else they will boycott the cash games there?

insert complete bitch meme here

As a floorman, obvious angleshooters (the 500 chip under 19 red) should be kicked out of the game and asked not to come back. They serve almost no benefit to your game and may even be a total detriment. You are going to have to deal with this type of action multiple times.

lol at this thread imo.

You got coolered/bad beat, and then your self-proclaimed 'exaggerated frustration' caused the lone floor to shut down in the face of growing tension and make a bad ruling which made you lose exactly $0 in money/equity.

Sucks etc, but you're doing pretty well if this is the 'most disgusting' thing you've seen in 7 years :P

Even if you knew for sure that there was an extra 6 in the deck, would you of played the hand differently?

Unfortunately OP didn't notice the sign that's been posted outside the Rio for years.

Ok I'm going to get some hate from this but...

Why did you wait so long to post about this? Why are you 'finally ready' now?

Any theories on why you just now mentioned that it broke the whole room of mid stakes games, yet none of them mentioned it on the internet in 2 months?

#OccupyTheRio

OP was not the victim here. He copied it from another forum.

Do you realize how much $$ rio/harrahs ent makes off wsop

In the other thread about the two nut flushes, it was mentioned that the floor person said something to the effect of 'this happens more than you would imagine'. How exactly does this happen? Are they opening brand new decks that are bad straight out of the box, or are people somehow cheating and adding cards to the muck or something?

Then deck is spread and checked the first time it comes into play so logic puts it at the latter.

Judging how the floor refused to spread and count them face up at the table also leads to the possibility they and the dealers are involved in the cheating.

Here in Aus (at least Sydney) after every deck change the decks about to be used is spread face up on the table for the cameras and checked to ensure no duplicates and no missing cards. The old deck is counted to ensure there are 52 cards present. Is this also done in the USA? If so, how can it not be a huge security concern that there are multiple instances of checked decks turning up with duplicate cards?

If decks are checked before being used and then the floor tries to hide the deck after it is discovered to be fouled then some very serious questions need to be asked (as per previous poster).

Every place I've ever played live (in US) followed the same procedure you described. Thats why I find it so baffling that this alledgedly occurring regularly at the Rio.

I'd like to know how they explain this when it happens. Do they always just run off with the deck with a "nothing to see here" type approach? wtf?

wow OP, thats fked

You can bet anything that if a blackjack game with 6 decks suddenly dealt out 7 blackjacks to players consisting of 7x As and 7x Kd there would not be this laid back "oh yeah, it always happens, just pay everyone and I'll swap the decks over" type approach.

this happened several times this summer at Rio. Q: where was Nev. Gaming Commission or what would/did they say about it?

It isn't a new deck that is causing it. When they get a marked or damaged card they replace it from another partial deck rather than open another brand new deck to save money...so they end up with a bunch of partial decks that are sometimes combined to make complete decks...human error and you get doubles in the deck because they didn't check closely enough. I've seen this a few times.

Ahhh, ok. Thx.

For arguments sake say that the floorman counted the deck in front of everyone and found a 54 card deck which included 5 6s.

What would you expect then OP?

I will never play at the rio again, and that is just a beyond ****ty spot but yeah the line the villain with quads made and the fact that he beelined seems like he might have known there were extra 6s in the deck

can someone start an official "boycott/demand big change from RIO" thread and try to actually make an influence?

Rio's been really unpleasant to play the last few years. Not to mention the summer in Vegas is unbearable.