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Old 07-27-2012, 12:20 PM   #1
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I can't tell you how sick I am at what happened during one cash session during the WSOP.

After 2 months of pure anger and frustration I'm finally ready to discuss this and get opinions and thoughts.

I swear, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the following story is true.

I finished top 75 in event #2, $1500 NL, for a $7K cash.

Frustrated by this I decided to play cash.
I play cash for a living, mostly $5/$10 at commerce.
In 7 years of full time playing I've never been so disgusted by a situation as this.

I sat at a $5/$10 uncapped buyin table with $5,000 at the Rio shortly after even 2 finished.

The table was exceptionally deep, multiple people had me covered.

It was a $5/$10 NLHE game with everyone straddling to $20 on the button.

UTG makes it $60 and gets 3 calls. I'm on button with 10d/10h and make it $200. Initial UTG raiser calls as do two middle position players. Pot is now roughly $800.

Flop comes 10s6c4s.

Checks to me and I bet $600. Initial raiser calls and so does one MP player.
Pot is now $2600.

Turn comes 2h.
Checks to me, I bet $1800, and only initial UTG raiser calls.

Turn comes 6s. Board is now 10s6c4s2h6s... flush completed.
UTG leads $1K and I jam remainder of stack. He snaps and rolls over 6-6 for quads. Top boat no good and I lose $10K plus pot.

Part of the game... not running good... such is life.

I re-load for $5k and we move on. We play no more than 2 orbits when the following happens.

It's again $5/10 with a $20 button straddle.
UTG again opens to $60 with two calls.
I'm on button with 10dJd and make it $200. All 3 players caller for an $800 pot.

Flop comes Qd9s4d. I'm o/e with the flush draw. Checks to me, I bet $600 and all three players call. Pot is now $2600.

Turn comes Jd. That's correct, board is now Qd9s4dJd, and I'm holding 10dJd. My hole card just ****ing appeared on the board. The deck is obviously ****ed. It checks to me. I just got stacked for $5k, and there's a $2600 pot in front of me. If I bet big I know odds are nobody has the flush and I can take down the pot like a scumbag, earn back some of my losses, and get out of there before anybody knows the wiser.

But I'm not a scumbag and I have ethics, so I immediately call the floor.
He comes over, I show him the turn card and my hole cards, and he correctly decides to re-construct the action and give everyone their money back.

But now I'm upset because I'm stuck $5k from the sick cooler hand 2 orbits before, and the deck is obviously flawed.
I just lost a $10K+ pot to a one outer with this same deck. It hasn't been changed and we're less than 2 orbits past that hand.

So I demand they count the deck in front of the table.
While this is happening, it's about 4am and there is one floor man. No backup in site.

During the commotion and my exaggerated frustration all 15 tables surrounding us quit playing.

While I'm arguing with the floor to count the deck, the winner of the $10k plus pot immediately racks up and heads for the door. Exasperated I demand they stop him and make a decision. There is nobody to help the floor and the guy skates out the door without a problem.

FURIOUS I start demanding they do what's right and count the deck in front of the table. At this point I have no idea if the deck has one extra card or it's a ****ing 65 card deck. Anything is possible.

Everybody at the surrounding tables are now uncomfortable playing and play has stopped at all their tables.

The floor man senses this and takes a hard-line stance that it has become a security issue, that he won't count the deck in front of us and puts it in his pocket. Players from other tables start demanding that he show down the deck and he refuses. I demand a second ruling and there is nobody in sight to help.

He calls security over and says that I'm becoming a distraction. He offers me two $10 food vouchers for the mistake, and tells me that my options are to accept the vouchers, or if I continue to protest they will throw me out of the rio and I will lose the privilege to play in any further events or cash games.

Disgusted by the ruling at least 3 $10/$20 tables in the immediate area break because players are no longer comfortable with how it was handled or the decks in play.

What choice do I have at this point except to walk away?
My options are to continue a pointless argument or to lose my ability to play the rest of the WSOP.

So I do the right thing and will NEVER know what really happened.

I have to chalk up losing a $10K+ pot to a faulty deck, with no closure, and walk out of the rio never knowing if I got 1-outed in a natural unlucky hand of poker or if there were 7 6's in a deck of 60+ cards.

All because I did the right thing.

I've played poker full time for 7+ years and this is the first instance, EVER, where I literally had ZERO idea what to do or what was right or I was entitled to as a player.

WTF would you do in this situation?
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:23 PM   #2
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holy ****
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:27 PM   #3
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that's terrible
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:27 PM   #4
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That's disgusting.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:28 PM   #5
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I'm speechless !
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:35 PM   #6
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I will never play at the Rio after hearing this, and I hope that otheres follow suit.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:39 PM   #7
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Would have dropped my pants and taken a **** directly on the center of the table.


No but really that is horrible. So many horror stories from cash at the rio this year. I can tell you when I go back next year I will not be playing there.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:39 PM   #8
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This sucks. Theres
Really nothing you can do aside from never play at rio again. How does rio not have auto shufflers?
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:40 PM   #9
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Really gross man. I'd like to think that if a deck had more than 53 or 54 cards, the dealer would be able to feel that something was off, but with the dealers at the WSOP this year, who knows.

Hope you ran better for the rest of the series...
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:41 PM   #10
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This sucks. Theres
Really nothing you can do aside from never play at rio again. How does rio not have auto shufflers?
Do you know how much those shufflers cost? Do you realize how many tables were there set up for the WSOP?
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:42 PM   #11
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Why the hell is this being posted now?

If this gets up during the WSOP maybe someone can help, but now it will be a bunch of "sorry bro".

Obv really messed up situation.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:46 PM   #12
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The mob should have surrounded that Floor and demanded he pull the deck from his pocket and count it. What a chit ruling.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:47 PM   #13
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Do you know how much those shufflers cost? Do you realize how many tables were there set up for the WSOP?
The other option is they keep using their apparently inept dealers and running their reputation into the ground. Then they won't have to worry about setting up all of those tables because no one will come there to play.


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The mob should have surrounded that Floor and demanded he pull the deck from his pocket and count it. What a chit ruling.

bahahaha. i have the mental image of a mob of poker players surrounding a floor man, chanting 'deck' or something and then perhaps dismembering him in the process of retrieving the faulty deck. one of the players finally finds it and holds it up revealing 6 aces, which sends the crowd into a further blood-lusting rage. the rio is dismantled and set on fire, crowds of innocent people running for their lives. somewhere in the back, gil hits the 250k jackpot on a slot machine as the roof caves in on his head.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:47 PM   #14
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Re: xpost: Worst nightmare @ WSOP. Finally ready to discuss

Does the rio suck this much year round or is it only at WSOP time?
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:47 PM   #15
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Not the first time this happened either...somewhere here, there's a thread with picture of two people flopping nut flushes....AKspades vs. AQspades. Also at the Rio. Live poker rigged IMO.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:51 PM   #16
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Call the Nevada Gaming Commission.

http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdoc...ocumentid=3538

Carol Butti at (775) 684-7705 or, if you are calling from Southern Nevada, you may dial (702) 486-2000 and request to be transferred to Ms. Butti’s direct line.
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:54 PM   #17
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Re: xpost: Worst nightmare @ WSOP. Finally ready to discuss

Yeah there was an extra jack in the deck, but its hard to rig quad 6's. The reason is that almost always, one is going to be a duplicate. Its unlikely that with all 4 6's showing that there was an extra 6 since you are seeing all four suits.

The floor person obviously realized that pocketing the deck limits how many people see the rigged deck and how incompetent they are. There was another B&M forum thread talking about duplicate cards. It must be fairly common place at the Rio this time of year from peoples reactions. The fact that the RIO let the player leave though is really really bad. The fact that you were not shown the deck after obviously realizing that it was faulty was also really bad.

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Old 07-27-2012, 12:54 PM   #18
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My condolences Bro, sucks
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Old 07-27-2012, 12:55 PM   #19
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The nut flushes thread mentioned above was the one I was talking about.

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Old 07-27-2012, 01:02 PM   #20
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It continues to seem more and more that the RIO is a haven for angel shooters and card sharps.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:02 PM   #21
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Yeah there was an extra jack in the deck, but its hard to rig quad 6's. The reason is that almost always, one is going to be a duplicate. Its unlikely that with all 4 6's showing that there was an extra 6 since you are seeing all four suits.

The floor person obviously realized that pocketing the deck limits how many people see the rigged deck and how incompetent they are. There was another B&M forum thread talking about duplicate cards. It must be fairly common place at the Rio this time of year from peoples reactions. The fact that the RIO let the player leave though is really really bad. The fact that you were not shown the deck after obviously realizing that it was faulty was also really bad.

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I would be furious just like OP, but I agree that the presence of an extra J wouldn't factor into the quads hand. I think the Rio floor should have shown OP the deck privately.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:06 PM   #22
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If you put 53 or more cards in an autoshuffler does it signal anything or mess up?
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:16 PM   #23
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If you put 53 or more cards in an autoshuffler does it signal anything or mess up?
Yes, autoshufflers would catch too many/few cards but this is the Rio cash games during the WSOP. They are hand shuffled.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:22 PM   #24
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If you put 53 or more cards in an autoshuffler does it signal anything or mess up?
Yes, it wont give the green light unless there are exactly 52 cards. I guess the only flaw could be that they don't recognize which 52 cards but still much better than this, obv
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:24 PM   #25
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Re: xpost: Worst nightmare @ WSOP. Finally ready to discuss

before our casino went to auto shufflers, each half hour when a new dealer sat down, he had to count down the deck before starting. Don't they do that at the Rio?

As far as letting the guy who won the 10k hand leave, what else could they do? The problem was discovered two orbits later. Were they going to try and reconstruct every hand dealt from the bad deck, and give everyone their starting stacks back? Not likely. You can't invalidate one hand without doing it for all of them.

Crappy situation for sure, and apparently not unusual for the Rio during the WSOP.
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