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Old 06-08-2021, 08:25 PM   #76
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

one important detail that people seem to be missing is that he said that his roommate is a "poker player", not a "poker pro", so rec-like play on the ft means nothing

my best guess is that these are two rec players who shared an account for a while and while it's possible that OP was playing during the tournament, play patterns were likely inconsistent with earlier ones. Rec players I know do it all the time, and often don't even realise that it can get them banned
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Old 06-08-2021, 08:50 PM   #77
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I think people here are focusing too much on the roommate part, but that may have nothing to do with it, it's just something that OP brought up. Guilty people who claim innocence often either confess to a lesser crime (Tony Soprano is involved in some illegal gambling, he's definitely not in the Mafia), or they defend against something they're not charged with. I'm not saying that OP is guilty, but if he were, that might be the tack to take.
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Old 06-08-2021, 08:58 PM   #78
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From the phrase 'whacked 2k on roulette' I wouldn't be surprised that this is someone who may have self excluded his account at some point and made a 2nd account, probably thinking that he would never get caught. Party has 2 other skins IIRC, BWIN and Coral.

Gambling operators check everything now. I know of people who have been banned from a site after a merger and their responsible gambling teams pooled their data to see a self exclusion.
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Old 06-08-2021, 09:42 PM   #79
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From the phrase 'whacked 2k on roulette' I wouldn't be surprised that this is someone who may have self excluded his account at some point and made a 2nd account, probably thinking that he would never get caught. Party has 2 other skins IIRC, BWIN and Coral.

Gambling operators check everything now. I know of people who have been banned from a site after a merger and their responsible gambling teams pooled their data to see a self exclusion.
If he self excluded and they let him play, then wouldn't it be a massive liability for Party Poker?
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:05 PM   #80
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If he self excluded and they let him play, then wouldn't it be a massive liability for Party Poker?
Nope. All the casinos have a clause in the self exclusion agreement that sez if a jackpot is won during self exclusion, it will be forfeited. But degens still gamble!
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:16 PM   #81
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

You guys sound like the cops who say “well if you have nothing to hide, why wouldn’t you talk to us!”

If he got the advice of a lawyer I bet the lawyer said to shut up and let him do the talking.
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Old 06-09-2021, 12:18 AM   #82
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Why? If you were innocent and a company was denying you a large pay out, wouldn't you want to try and figure it out without court, attorney fees, time, etc?

I'm not taking sides, but I don't see how that quote infers guilt.

Try to pretend you are OP, you are completely innocent ...and now imagine how you feel about the 160k. You are not “looking to settle”, 100% of that money is rightfully yours !
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Old 06-09-2021, 12:35 AM   #83
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I don’t think he means settle as in take half or something. Maybe I’m interpreting that wrong.
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Old 06-09-2021, 12:53 AM   #84
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Try to pretend you are OP, you are completely innocent ...and now imagine how you feel about the 160k. You are not “looking to settle”, 100% of that money is rightfully yours !
Whilst true, if in his position being 100% innocent, I'd happily take 130k and call it a day, including permanently closing my account with Party Poker. I'm sure most of 2+2 has no idea of the cost of such a court case, but you're looking at a bare minimum 20k, and that's a super low estimate, I'd easily see such a court case go to 100k+ without breaking a sweat. Add onto this your time, the stress, and ultimately the court possibly not finding in your favour (People have been convicted of murder in the past, and been later proven innocent, you have to remember this kind of lawsuit isn't a common occurrence).

You need to realize how big taking a company such as Party Poker too court really is, it's not as easy as 123, it really is a massive deal, and a super costly one.
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Old 06-09-2021, 01:48 AM   #85
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Whilst true, if in his position being 100% innocent, I'd happily take 130k and call it a day, including permanently closing my account with Party Poker. I'm sure most of 2+2 has no idea of the cost of such a court case, but you're looking at a bare minimum 20k, and that's a super low estimate, I'd easily see such a court case go to 100k+ without breaking a sweat. Add onto this your time, the stress, and ultimately the court possibly not finding in your favour (People have been convicted of murder in the past, and been later proven innocent, you have to remember this kind of lawsuit isn't a common occurrence).

You need to realize how big taking a company such as Party Poker too court really is, it's not as easy as 123, it really is a massive deal, and a super costly one.
If you are 100% innocent why would you take 130k?
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Old 06-09-2021, 02:40 AM   #86
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If you are 100% innocent why would you take 130k?
Are you thick? Read the post you quoted.

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Old 06-09-2021, 02:56 AM   #87
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He posted there first and it got moved here, guess when its 6 figures its news.
No, it was posted here. I moved it to IP because that's where threads like this belong, but then I had exactly the thought you mentioned at the end - a win in a big event is something that is a little more newsworthy, as can be seen now by the fact that PokerNews picked it up. It could really go in either forum, so I decided to put it back where it was originally. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 06-09-2021, 03:24 AM   #88
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Old 06-09-2021, 04:03 AM   #89
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Yeh, but if they disqualified you from a tournament win for $160K, you might not keep quiet about it and go through their procedures.
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Old 06-09-2021, 05:30 AM   #90
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

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Has the runner up confirmed being awarded first place?

Did OP use any VPN of any kind?

Was OP roommate in the building?

Has OP made any post on social media that could be construed as violating TOS?

Something HAS to be missing from the story thus far, imo...


3rd place was streamer Jaime staples and he confirmed he got bumped to 2nd^
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Old 06-09-2021, 05:53 AM   #91
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Sites don't say how they catch players because otherwise cheaters find out and use other loopholes.

I'd have to imagine its VPN based a little bit of the Gordon Vayo case? Remote software probably a little bit too untested at this point. Very possible to have programs running without you realising.

Very possible they have no evidence no one else was playing, just evidence of IP address hopping around or whatever.
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Old 06-09-2021, 06:37 AM   #92
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A little off topic, but out of curiosity, has there ever been a case where player is disqualified for the wrong reason?
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Old 06-09-2021, 06:47 AM   #93
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It seems like Party is alleging that when he got deep in the tournament he had someone else play, either remotely or locally. They should not take this action without strong evidence. As pointed out, Party could lose money paying out twice and damage their reputation if they were wrong.
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Old 06-09-2021, 07:33 AM   #94
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Im still leaning 2 accounts have historically played a lot together and raised the red flags but with OP radio silence on this question (and all others) we may never know
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Old 06-09-2021, 07:45 AM   #95
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If he self excluded and they let him play, then wouldn't it be a massive liability for Party Poker?
Lol yeah he’s got them now - good take
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Old 06-09-2021, 10:54 AM   #96
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one important detail that people seem to be missing is that he said that his roommate is a "poker player", not a "poker pro", so rec-like play on the ft means nothing

my best guess is that these are two rec players who shared an account for a while and while it's possible that OP was playing during the tournament, play patterns were likely inconsistent with earlier ones. Rec players I know do it all the time, and often don't even realise that it can get them banned
+1 this theory would be my guess as well. Wonder how many hands they each played (to establish player profile) before Party would take the risk in double paying first place…must have been obvious…
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Old 06-09-2021, 01:20 PM   #97
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I wonder if OP is going to clarify the situation, he is offley quiet.
If he indeed hired an attorney who requests silence from his client, he could simply state that thats the case and there will be less room for speculation
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Old 06-09-2021, 02:06 PM   #98
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My guess is when he got deep in the tournament he had a strong pro play it, probably remotely. They could tell by a vastly different style of play and maybe had other evidence of a remote connection. I am just speculating though and maybe OP is totally innocent.
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Old 06-09-2021, 03:08 PM   #99
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My guess is when he got deep in the tournament he had a strong pro play it, probably remotely. They could tell by a vastly different style of play and maybe had other evidence of a remote connection. I am just speculating though and maybe OP is totally innocent.
I didn't watch the broadcast but apparently it definitely wasn't a pro playing the FT. He was so clearly a rec that the announcers were opening rooting for him to win and enjoying the action.

Now before the FT, who knows, except PartyPoker I guess. They seem very confident in their decision so its probably legit. OP probably unwittingly violated TOS in some way while playing.

It would really suck if he just had his friend take over for 15 min while taking a **** or something. I have done that with my friend before while playing. He doesn't play but I would just tell him to fold everything except AK and QQ+ and just go all in with those hands then I come back 5-10 min later and most of the time he folded everything.


I dont like that violating TOS is never a concern for these sites until they have to payout a winner. Site is happy to let him continue violating TOS as long as he keeps depositing, but as soon as he binks one they suddenly become aware. Why couldn't they ban him in the moment when they detect suspicious activity?
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Old 06-09-2021, 03:13 PM   #100
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A 3rd party was playing must be either 1) some form of Ai or bot, 2) another pro via team viewer 3) another player gained access to his account from another location and finished. 4)?

Ppl saying he def looked like a rec bc of his style means nothing.
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