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Old 06-08-2021, 01:23 PM   #51
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

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Kinda gross how it's the industry standard to be able to ban and confiscate player funds without providing the player with any evidence of their alleged wrongdoing. I understand why in many instances they wouldn't want to but in a situation like this they really should have to have something conclusive and transparent.

Evidence will be provided in depth to the regulator if a complaint is made. If the regulator does not accept the evidence matches the resolution then they can instruct the site as such. Hence if Party are already adjusting the prizes then they are certain they will not lose on appeal. There is no reason for them to gamble on this and risk losing 160k and make themselves look utterly inept.


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Whilst as a player I understand your concerns, it's up to you to have faith in the sites you choose to play on and hold balances on. If the sites were to explain how they caught each infraction it would just serve to educate people how to bypass their detection methods, this would be totally counter productive and make the games distinctly less safe.

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Old 06-08-2021, 01:36 PM   #52
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

David, as YorkyPuds has asked, who and where was your poker-playing roommate, and why didn't they play the WPT500? partypoker Game Security detected something amiss and judged that it was serious enough to take away your $160,211 publicized win.

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I'll drop everything and publicly apologies to Partypoker if I have made some mistake which I am unaware of, I just want to sort out this mess.
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Old 06-08-2021, 02:17 PM   #53
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My spidey senses are tingling.
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Old 06-08-2021, 02:25 PM   #54
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Don't Party and Stars usually give details in cases like this though? It is one of the reasons that I am happy to play with them and not other sites because they are usually transparent in these cases. The play looks so bad that it's hard to believe some super pro commandeered his account. So would be nice to hear more from the site in this case.

We have long since determined that the likes of GG are just plain shady and you play at your own risk so threads about other sites are fair game to put out of sight for users at this stage.
No, OP is guilty 99.99%.
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Old 06-08-2021, 02:39 PM   #55
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OP seems to be withholding something. You only mention that nobody played your account during this tournament specifically. Have you ever shared your account in the past?

I don't think it's relevant where his flatmate was, or why the flatmate didn't play the WPT.

It's up to Party Poker to be able to prove someone else played on his account, not for OP to prove nobody did.
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Old 06-08-2021, 02:42 PM   #56
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OP if you played on a laptop with a built-in camera (like for skype, zoom, etc.), this could be a method party uses to check that more than 1 person isn't playing the same tournament on same account.
This would amount to hacking your laptop wouldn't it? I don't think they can access your camera without you being aware.
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Old 06-08-2021, 02:56 PM   #57
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Why do people think a lawyer can help him? Pretty sure party doesn't give rats butt if some random dude is trying to sue them. Makes it even harder when op is most likely located in different country vs where party operates. Only thing that might help the case is a lot of bad publicity.
A UK judge can take away the UK license from Party. That will force them to pay.

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I'll drop everything and publicly apologies to Partypoker if I have made some mistake which I am unaware of, I just want to sort out this mess.
Never get on your knees and be nice in a situation like this! That makes you look guilty. If it was my money, I would fly to Party Poker headquarter and demand to see prove!

But I believe OP is not telling everything, I believe now that he let his roommate play and Party has of both mouse movement history.

If you did this, you can forget the money! Forget it and move on and pretend it was a nightmare. Learn from it...
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Old 06-08-2021, 02:57 PM   #58
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This would amount to hacking your laptop wouldn't it? I don't think they can access your camera without you being aware.
Someone is looking at you through laptop camera now. If it is legal or not is the right question.
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:00 PM   #59
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David, as YorkyPuds has asked, who and where was your poker-playing roommate, and why didn't they play the WPT500? partypoker Game Security detected something amiss and judged that it was serious enough to take away your $160,211 publicized win.
When did you register for the tournament OP? Did your roommate bust the same tournament before your entered it? Was it a re-entry or freezeout?

Why have you yet to post all emails and other correspondence between yourself and Party?
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:02 PM   #60
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This would amount to hacking your laptop wouldn't it? I don't think they can access your camera without you being aware.
Yes, that's illegal in many countries. Party will not do that.

When people are worried about their webcam... uninstall the webcam driver.
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:13 PM   #61
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Yes, that's illegal in many countries. Party will not do that.

When people are worried about their webcam... uninstall the webcam driver.
or cover the camera with a band-aid, easy to remove when you need to use the camera (as we so often do these days,) easy to replace when you are done.
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:16 PM   #62
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Hi, my name is David Afework and I recently won $160 000 on Party poker. It was my biggest win ever and the most amazing moment of my life.......

Either way went I lost a few thousand pounds in the weeks prior I never saw any concern from party poker towards me or my account, because there was no reason to. Now though I won, and I won big and they don't want me to win, it's as clear as day.


Why do I now read this as you opened a second account after being banned on your original account? You played for a couple weeks without getting caught because you lost money and didn't withdraw anything, so you then went ahead and registered and won the tournament, right?
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:18 PM   #63
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or cover the camera with a band-aid, easy to remove when you need to use the camera (as we so often do these days,) easy to replace when you are done.
Yes that's a good one too but I don't like sticky stuff on my laptop. Uninstall or install webcam driver is done in one minute.
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:41 PM   #64
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

I see some major issues with this, and after watching some footage I don't reasonably see how a pro was playing under the account. As OP stated, he ran like a god, and before anyone accuses him of cheating, or being ghosted, I suggest checking the FT cards up replay, even party's own commentators are calling him a fun player, saying he's wild etc.

There needs to be more certainty when poker sites (whatever site it may be) takes action like this, because they need to be certain, not just suspect. The moment party takes the action to say he cheated, and is no longer being paid out, other players should instantly be paid the money.

I see no downside to this, if the company is certain the player cheated, and have evidence backing this up, even with legal recourse the player has no chance of recovering his money. Now, if they chose to do this hoping OP would back down, just take the hit, or not have the balls to fight it, then they as a company should cover whatever amount they are trying to steal off him ($160,000 in this case) they already paid out.

All I can say is I hope this does go too court, and OP is innocent and follows through on such action. Keep us updated OP.
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:42 PM   #65
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

Like others have said it’s quite rare for a top site like party or stars to ban a winner of a major tournament without 99.9% proof of some form of cheating or breaking TOS. Especially considering they get literally 0 more $ and reputation is on the line.

David is either not telling the truth or isn’t telling us the whole story.
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Old 06-08-2021, 04:07 PM   #66
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

Has the runner up confirmed being awarded first place?

Did OP use any VPN of any kind?

Was OP roommate in the building?

Has OP made any post on social media that could be construed as violating TOS?

Something HAS to be missing from the story thus far, imo...
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Old 06-08-2021, 04:21 PM   #67
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Two plus two has spoken. There is a Postlebility of guilt.
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Old 06-08-2021, 05:30 PM   #68
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Party may have taken the action for a prior violation of the TOS (prior to the tournament he won). Right?
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Old 06-08-2021, 05:34 PM   #69
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Party may have taken the action for a prior violation of the TOS (prior to the tournament he won). Right?
That is a very good point. A large win usually results in a review of the player, it seems, even though the players feel that the site should always be vetting every punter every time, that is probably unfeasible imo.
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Old 06-08-2021, 05:50 PM   #70
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Party may have taken the action for a prior violation of the TOS (prior to the tournament he won). Right?
by this you mean a violation for which he hasnt received a warning or that he was continuing to violate ToS even after the warning

in the first case david might really not know, but if second than he is not telling the truth

could party perhaps have determined that you were playing with a vpn that is agains the rules or anything like that. because a roommate/friend sitting behind your pc instead of you seems like a stretch to prove for partypoker
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Old 06-08-2021, 05:50 PM   #71
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Party may have taken the action for a prior violation of the TOS (prior to the tournament he won). Right?
True, maybe he was perma'd in the past and somehow managed to skirt the registration software for a new account by slightly altering his name, address or whatever.
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:21 PM   #72
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

Just as idiotic as assuming OP is innocent because he said so is assuming that he is guilty because PP says so. Nobody even knows the evidence PP has, so taking their word for it seems dumb.
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:46 PM   #73
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Itís not ďjust asĒ idiotic, Iím sure you have a better grasp of probability than that

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Im still open to settling this out of court,.
This is an odd thing for a 100% innocent person to say
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:53 PM   #74
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This is an odd thing for a 100% innocent person to say
Why? If you were innocent and a company was denying you a large pay out, wouldn't you want to try and figure it out without court, attorney fees, time, etc?

I'm not taking sides, but I don't see how that quote infers guilt.
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Old 06-08-2021, 08:07 PM   #75
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OP suddenly going quiet is a sign usually he worked out party were right to ban him.

There are instances where things are wrong but when its 160k on the line id bet a high % these sites get it right more often than not.

I definitely wouldnt be going quiet if i was innoncent and 160k was seized from my poker account.. how they know he breached terms we will never know only party pokers team and the player/s involved
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