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Old 06-08-2021, 06:39 AM   #26
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

^ and have you played in the same tournaments in the past and if so how often? (no casting aspersions but seems like something a site would look at)

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Old 06-08-2021, 06:52 AM   #27
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

sadly thats norm of online poker these days, my biggest fear that after nice mtt bink or jackpot on spins, quite likely they will try to find a reason to keep these 6 digits, on smaller rooms even 5...
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:54 AM   #28
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They didn't give you further reasoning on why they suspected someone else was using your account??
Hi joey, apparently you are the person to help sort this mess out??
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:57 AM   #29
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Thanks for the link!

Quote from the commentators, around this timestamp:David doubles up

"He's played a lot of hands, and then he gets the aces!"

Multiple comments ITT, and the commentators, seem to point to this being a true bink.

One question to the original poster - can you just confirm, do you know whether or not your roommate played in this tournament also?
Thanks for the support, and he 100% did not play the tournament.
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:05 AM   #30
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Thanks for the support, and he 100% did not play the tournament.
Who is your poker-playing roommate? How come they didn't play the WPT500?
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:12 AM   #31
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Hi, my name is David Afework and I recently won $160 000 on Party poker. It was my biggest win ever and the most amazing moment of my life. However today I received an email from party poker telling me that I have been disqualified because they believe I gave my account to a third party
Which is just complete rubbish. I played on my account, on my Dell Laptop in the room I had been living in for months, my girlfriend (who has no understanding of poker) was the only person that saw me throughout the time of the tournament. I was completely alone for 99% of the time. I imagine this third party nonsense comes from the fact that I have been living with another poker player for the best part of 7 months so maybe they see we share the same ip address or whatever but I'm completely transparent about that and don't want to hide that, no one has ever had access to my account other than myself, that's a 100% guarantee.

The truth is I played the tournament and I won, it's as simple as that and to see how Party poker have taken things is just the biggest disappointment ever and I'm just at a loss for words. Making it to the final table with some really good players to then come out on top was just wow. I played better than I ever have and also had the luck I needed on the way. Even the final hand like, to crack aces with the flush on the river like come on, or when I took out Jamie staples who had King queen suited and flopped a two pair and I flopped the flush with ten six of hearts. Everything was just going for me. So much so that after the tournament I whacked £2000 of my winnings onto roulette and got it up to £18 000. But they have taken it all away.

Either way went I lost a few thousand pounds in the weeks prior I never saw any concern from party poker towards me or my account, because there was no reason to. Now though I won, and I won big and they don't want me to win, it's as clear as day.

Anyhow, the reason I'm reaching out here on 2 + 2 is because I need the support of the community and I don't know how else to capture the communities attention. I have already contacted the UK gambling commission to inform them about what's happened as well as making the initial steps to take legal action. Has it ever happened to anyone before ?

If you feel compelled to get the word out it would be greatly appreciated. I'll keep those who are interested updated along the journey because it's going to be a long one.
Thanks for the support everyone.

I have spoken with a few people in the industry and apparently Partypoker's decision was based on "conclusive evidence". I am currently trying to find out what evidence that is because I would like to know myself how i conclusively gave my account to a third party.

Im still open to settling this out of court, but Pp have not responded to my attempts at contact. If I did something wrong I wouldn't even pursue this, but I ran like a god and managed to win. I'll drop everything and publicly apologies to Partypoker if I have made some mistake which I am unaware of, I just want to sort out this mess.
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:21 AM   #32
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

So your flat mate was not home when you played the tournament ? He didnít rail you at all?

Like slaw22, I tend to not believe posts like this, but after watching some of the footage I think you are likely telling the truth. Good luck if thatís right
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:32 AM   #33
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

Hey i hope this gets sorted.

Who is your poker friend that stops with you?

Have you ever used the same hardware?

I assume you both used the same IP ?

Does your friend also play on party?

What poker games do you play? What about your friend?

They are great at detecting mouse movements of someones "print" so if your 100% sure no one has played on your account other then you it must be something else but from what your saying it seems as if they are going off some conclusive evidence.

Hope you get to the bottom of it all
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:53 AM   #34
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Hi Devplaza:

I think you need to quickly hire an attorney who has a good understanding of gambling law, especially for the country that you live in which I think is England. He'll probably be expensive, but the right person with the right attorney skills might be able to put a lot of pressure on Party.

Now I have no idea as to why this was done (and depending on their guidelines plus the specifics of the situation they may have been correct to hold the payment up), and I suspect that they won't want to tell you all of their reasons for not paying you. But a good attorney might be able to force the information out of Party as to why this decision not to pay you was done. And once this is done, you may have something you can challenge plus the poker site may not like the bad publicity that they might get.

Best wishes,
Mason
In the USA going the civil court, lawsuit route is the way to get this done as part of discovery. Which means file the lawsuit which means get a hearing in Court to proceed with discovery which means get yourself a good lawyer. Not sure how things work in the UK.
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:53 AM   #35
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Thanks for the support everyone.

I have spoken with a few people in the industry and apparently Partypoker's decision was based on "conclusive evidence". I am currently trying to find out what evidence that is because I would like to know myself how i conclusively gave my account to a third party.

Im still open to settling this out of court, but Pp have not responded to my attempts at contact. If I did something wrong I wouldn't even pursue this, but I ran like a god and managed to win. I'll drop everything and publicly apologies to Partypoker if I have made some mistake which I am unaware of, I just want to sort out this mess.
Either you played on your own or you used some kind of help (another person, tech help, program etc) The bolded part seems like a odd thing to say.
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Old 06-08-2021, 08:16 AM   #36
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

OP, I would simply stop talking right now. Stop posting more information in public forums. If what the people you know say is true, the best thing you can do right now is lawyer up. That's probably going to be the only way you'll get your money barring some convoluted mistake on the part of the poker site.
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Old 06-08-2021, 11:33 AM   #37
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

Why do people think a lawyer can help him? Pretty sure party doesn't give rats butt if some random dude is trying to sue them. Makes it even harder when op is most likely located in different country vs where party operates. Only thing that might help the case is a lot of bad publicity.
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Old 06-08-2021, 11:59 AM   #38
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

Why would your housemate not rail you when you are playing in that big a spot ?
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Old 06-08-2021, 12:06 PM   #39
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Re: WPT 500 Event #24 Winner Disqualified -- Help Me

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Industry standard is to not give out evidential information to the player.

More detailed information will be provided to legal representatives if that route is taken.



In my experience as an integrity agent 99% of people who post like this on 2+2 are not accurate about their circumstances or behaviour.



IF OP legitimately played the tournament:

then he should engage a lawyer and make a complaint to the relevant dispute resolution authority, at this point Party will be obligated to justify their decision with internal information that would not be released to the player.


A confiscation of this size will have to have been signed off at a high level in any company run by competent adults, for this to have been signed off they clearly thought that they had the requisite proof to withstand a legal complaint. Understand that Party really don't benefit nor are they incentivised to take such actions, they don't keep the funds, and have to inform players a fraudulent player was active on their site and they only caught them after they had binked big.




Theoretically the money should be paid out as if the player hadn't existed, so 2nd goes 1st etc etc. However given the scale of the payout and the likelihood of complaint or dispute, it would be foolish for them to action any form of prize pool adjustment until such time as the confiscated player had time to go through all reasonable legal avenues and the case was fully resolved.
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In my experience as an integrity agent 99% of people who post like this on 2+2 are not accurate about their circumstances or behaviour.
and especially this^^

kind of laughing at the idea that he was making a run in a gigantic online event and his poker playing roommate was just MIA


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I have spoken with a few people in the industry and apparently Partypoker's decision was based on "conclusive evidence". I am currently trying to find out what evidence that is because I would like to know myself how i conclusively gave my account to a third party.
'conclusive evidence' basically means he's both guilty and ****ed. poker sites don't just steal peoples' donkament binks, that simply doesn't happen.
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Old 06-08-2021, 12:11 PM   #40
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I'll drop everything and publicly apologies to Partypoker if I have made some mistake which I am unaware of, I just want to sort out this mess.
What do you think could be the reason? Did your computer crash and you had to relog at some point?

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Either you played on your own or you used some kind of help (another person, tech help, program etc) The bolded part seems like a odd thing to say.
That's what I'm thinking. Seems like there is something David is not telling us.

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Why would your housemate not rail you when you are playing in that big a spot ?
Isn't there no one player to a hand rule online anyway? Like as long as he was clicking the buttons it doesn't matter who was railing him and giving advice?
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Old 06-08-2021, 12:11 PM   #41
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party is still a publicly traded company too, no?

like they're gonna be out here going to this length without having the case sewn up...y'all don't know how game security works on big poker sites.
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Old 06-08-2021, 12:35 PM   #42
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Looks like everyone is moving up a spot. party's quote says OP was in breach of their terms and conditions

Link to PokerNews
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Old 06-08-2021, 12:42 PM   #43
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GJ PartyPoker for taking actions against cheaters.
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Old 06-08-2021, 12:59 PM   #44
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I haven't seen any of the OPs play on the final table, some people in this thread saying it wasn't great, so why would he let someone else take over who isn't very good? feels weird to me
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Old 06-08-2021, 01:03 PM   #45
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Why isn't this thread in Internet Poker yet?

In the Zoo we have several of these types of threads a year, and 99.9% of them are guilty while withholding the full story.
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Old 06-08-2021, 01:08 PM   #46
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if they are already adjusting the prize pool they are very very confident in their resolution and the evidence to justify it.
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Old 06-08-2021, 01:10 PM   #47
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Why isn't this thread in Internet Poker yet?

In the Zoo we have several of these types of threads a year, and 99.9% of them are guilty while withholding the full story.
He posted there first and it got moved here, guess when its 6 figures its news.
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Old 06-08-2021, 01:16 PM   #48
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OP if you played on a laptop with a built-in camera (like for skype, zoom, etc.), this could be a method party uses to check that more than 1 person isn't playing the same tournament on same account.
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Old 06-08-2021, 01:18 PM   #49
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Why isn't this thread in Internet Poker yet?

In the Zoo we have several of these types of threads a year, and 99.9% of them are guilty while withholding the full story.
Don't Party and Stars usually give details in cases like this though? It is one of the reasons that I am happy to play with them and not other sites because they are usually transparent in these cases. The play looks so bad that it's hard to believe some super pro commandeered his account. So would be nice to hear more from the site in this case.

We have long since determined that the likes of GG are just plain shady and you play at your own risk so threads about other sites are fair game to put out of sight for users at this stage.
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Old 06-08-2021, 01:19 PM   #50
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Kinda gross how it's the industry standard to be able to ban and confiscate player funds without providing the player with any evidence of their alleged wrongdoing. I understand why in many instances they wouldn't want to but in a situation like this they really should have to have something conclusive and transparent. I saw this thread when it was first posted and was going to suggest making a video where you emotionally explain the situation and that you'll do whatever to prove your innocence, get joeingram to tweet it @ Rob Yong because that seems to be the only path to getting people unscrewed in these spots unfortunately.

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