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12-04-2019 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MDR
Quite interesting. Instead of taking responsibility for his own actions - let a machine / device / anything but myself, do it. This shows such a weak character it has passed the state of embarrassing. If you have a losing session you take it as a man and if you have a winning session you take it as a man. Don`t bury yourself and don`t let the ego go to your head.

What a remarkable inspiration to the society.. FU Jason Koon!
It took over 11 months, but we finally found the worst take of 2019. Congrats.
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12-04-2019 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SolarAU
If I had a good idea of what my frequencies should be in a spot id just use second hand on my watch.
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12-04-2019 , 03:44 PM
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12-04-2019 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
LOL
You never took out a coin mid-hand and started flipping it 10 times on the table while everyone was watching?
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12-04-2019 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
You never took out a coin mid-hand and started flipping it 10 times on the table while everyone was watching?
You could develop an app that simulates flipping a coin 10 times, then spits out your decision. I would call it “the randomizer”
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12-04-2019 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
I think you need to read up on how randomizers are actually used in poker. It has nothing to with letting a device do it, it has to do with how often you (and you alone) choose to do something.

Try and keep up, ok?
Folks, it also took 11 months , but we have a winner for Most Consistently Condescending Poster of 2019.

His clever tag line of "Try and keep up, ok ?" should be copyrighted or trademarked.

According to the USPTO, it likely is available ....http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfi...809:967yal.2.3
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12-04-2019 , 06:53 PM
Also the fact that he's just plain wrong. I know plenty of online players that have RNG going on the side.
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12-04-2019 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Folks, it also took 11 months , but we have a winner for Most Consistently Condescending Poster of 2019.

His clever tag line of "Try and keep up, ok ?" should be copyrighted or trademarked.

According to the USPTO, it likely is available ....http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfi...809:967yal.2.3
You do more research into my things than I ever would on yours
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12-04-2019 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Also the fact that he's just plain wrong. I know plenty of online players that have RNG going on the side.
Son, of course they do. But the point is that the device is not making the decision. The device is there to balance the decisions for the percentage that you want. You are still making the decisions, it's just the balance that is randomized.

Try and keep up, OK?
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12-04-2019 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
You do more research into my things than I ever would on yours
Son,


It amuses me to layer a thin patina of research over posts which basically poke fun at your condescension, starting with your lament about your broke friends and cutting them off and the continuing smarmy tag lines

"Try and keep up...."
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12-04-2019 , 08:10 PM
Well if you're old enough I guess everyone would be a son.
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12-05-2019 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
You never took out a coin mid-hand and started flipping it 10 times on the table while everyone was watching?
Well yeah of course, it just seemed you were talking about flipping a physical coin on the table in your original post. Which would be pretty funny
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12-05-2019 , 01:11 PM
Did you just quote and answer yourself lmao
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12-05-2019 , 03:32 PM
I have thyroid pain that's pretty evenly distributed, so at decision points I ask myself on a 10 point scale what my level of pain is and use that to randomize my mixes.
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12-05-2019 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
Did you just quote and answer yourself lmao
ahaha i saw that too and just wahlberg gif'd
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12-05-2019 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
Did you just quote and answer yourself lmao
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12-05-2019 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ATrainBoston
I just use the suits of my hole cards. For each live session, I randomly choose one key suit and a number 2 key suit. For off-suit and paired hands, the presence or absence of one of the key suit determines what to do in a 50-50 mix. A few other simple tricks like that can help you randomize a 33-66 mix, or a 25-75 mix for suited hands.
I sometimes do this but the problem with this approach is the suits themselves are not unrelated to the correct strategy, because they contribute to equity and blockers that determine the correct mixed frequency in the first place. So you might decide you'll bluff with spades but then when the front door spade draw missed if you're holding spades you're blocking a lot of opponent folds so it's the worst suit to bluff with.

The whole thing is a bit silly because most non-toy game mixed strategies are too complicated to hold in someone's head, it only really makes sense if you're playing online and a "GTO scammer" using software, in live games I still think you should use reads and psychology to nudge in certain directions.
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12-05-2019 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Manner Please
I sometimes do this but the problem with this approach is the suits themselves are not unrelated to the correct strategy, because they contribute to equity and blockers that determine the correct mixed frequency in the first place. So you might decide you'll bluff with spades but then when the front door spade draw missed if you're holding spades you're blocking a lot of opponent folds so it's the worst suit to bluff with.

The whole thing is a bit silly because most non-toy game mixed strategies are too complicated to hold in someone's head, it only really makes sense if you're playing online and a "GTO scammer" using software, in live games I still think you should use reads and psychology to nudge in certain directions.
Also, I wonder how many players you play with enough/are insanely observant enough to notice when your mix is off. Like if you're in a spot where you're supposed to be betting 75 and checking 25, then the evs will be extremely close anyways. If you're just eyeballing it, or even if you just bet 100%, who would notice? Obviously if they have an insane database of a million hands you've played it might be evident/important. But from a couple thousand hands that data would be so noisy to the point of irrelevance. Especially for live players I think mixing hands or trying to use some randomizer is almost useless.
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12-05-2019 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 2WhiteCastle
This post needs 10x WAY more love ....

I'll admit I passed it by earlier, but came back.
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12-05-2019 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
Well yeah of course, it just seemed you were talking about flipping a physical coin on the table in your original post. Which would be pretty funny
Oh you were talking to me, yes, I was talking about flipping the coin 10 times. But to save time, if it’s something you do 20% of the time, you could stop after 2 heads/tails, you wouldn’t need to use all 10 flips. The regs would likely catch on fairly quickly so I recommend just doing all 10 flips.

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12-05-2019 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ProRailbird
if someone in my game calls the floor to put a stop to behavior like this I'm going to call the floor to request a table change for that player
lol, @ requesting a table change for someone else.....

Is that the Will Kassouf rule ?
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12-08-2019 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by snowie963
why not flip a coin?? if its 50/50, if its 20%, flip a coin 10 times and pick on deciding heads or tails, beforehand. then just fold.
How are you going to convert the results of the 10 flips to percentage? Keep in mind the result distribution looks like this:

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12-09-2019 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Bring dice to the table, and build your degen image by rolling them every time you have to make a decision, whether you need to randomize or not.

Of course there's the small issue of pissing off your fellow players and likely the floor putting a stop to it two hands in. But still, what a great way to guarantee action!


One time I was playing at a table where a guy actually did have a die that he rolled to decide how much to bet pre...if he was in the hand, his preflop bet was 1 to 6 bb based on the roll.
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12-09-2019 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 20dragons
One time I was playing at a table where a guy actually did have a die that he rolled to decide how much to bet pre...if he was in the hand, his preflop bet was 1 to 6 bb based on the roll.
Nice, randomizing the one betting decision that doesn't need to be randomized.
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12-10-2019 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 18000rpm
How are you going to convert the results of the 10 flips to percentage? Keep in mind the result distribution looks like this:
Yeah, I was going to ask the same, but was still trying to get past the suggestion that someone would be flipping a coin ten times.
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