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06-23-2021 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by the pleasure
im gonna be a degen and see which 500-800$ NLH event has the best "structure" lmao
There are several events in that price range labeled “deepstack”. The majority are two day events but there’s a 3 day championship event starting 01/11.

Everything in that price range is still going to be a total crapshoot though.
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06-23-2021 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AceHighExpress
that isn't so bad then, I thought it meant every level which would suck but only 1 re entry is not bad. Of course you can enter both flights and carry over your highest chip count to day 3 re start.
In all previous events, you can only enter a subsequent flight if you didn't bag.
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06-23-2021 , 12:33 PM
Am I missing something or is there really nothing unique about the so called "freezeouts"?

They are listed as having normal late reg times and there are plenty of events that aren't labeled "freezeout" that also have no reentry.

IMO Freezeout means all stacks are in play from the start. Long late reg is arguably a bigger issue than single reentry.
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06-23-2021 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob
Am I missing something or is there really nothing unique about the so called "freezeouts"?

They are listed as having normal late reg times and there are plenty of events that aren't labeled "freezeout" that also have no reentry.

IMO Freezeout means all stacks are in play from the start. Long late reg is arguably a bigger issue than single reentry.
No.

Freezeout means 1 bullet, period. Late reg has nothing to do with it.
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06-23-2021 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
No.

Freezeout means 1 bullet, period. Late reg has nothing to do with it.
"Old School Freezeouts Return"

Yeh, I understand what is technically a freezeout. Having a live event that is an actual freezeout with no or minimal(1-2 hour late reg) is something entirely different than no reeentry with normal late reg.

Especially at WSOP where there are plenty of events to play and you will have a sea of good players registering at the last minute for that free money. The makeup of the event will be entirely different if you have to register early in the event. I max late reg every mid/low buy in PLO event, but don't think its a good thing for the events overall.
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06-23-2021 , 03:17 PM
I saw a list of the rake for each buy-in level for the WSOP yesterday and now I can't find it. Anyone have it handy?
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06-23-2021 , 03:34 PM
Trust me I would much rather play a freezeout, deepstack --- only one bullet the 888, crazy eights all that but with the wife coming into town a few days after I arrive. I would probably be in the D tournament if all I did was grind out our anniversary in Vegas.

Trust me getting one or two tourneys in for me is a win.
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06-23-2021 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I saw a list of the rake for each buy-in level for the WSOP yesterday and now I can't find it. Anyone have it handy?
Item 4: https://www.pocketfives.com/articles...n-home-635228/
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06-23-2021 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath
What about the other events (that only lists 14 of them)? When will the structure sheets be available? Where did the info on those 14 events come from?
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06-23-2021 , 11:41 PM
Page 9 lists the rake for all buyin levels.

www.wsop.com/2021/2021-wsop-schedule.pdf
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06-23-2021 , 11:48 PM
Any advice for a first time WSOPer who plans to play 3-5 NLH events in the $500-$2500 range in a 7-10 day period?

What hotel to stay at?
If I wait to register for each event on the day they start will I run into long lines?
Best places to play $1/$2 or $2/$5 NLH?
Any recommends on satellites or daily tourneys around the $300-$750 range?
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06-24-2021 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Any advice for a first time WSOPer who plans to play 3-5 NLH events in the $500-$2500 range in a 7-10 day period?

What hotel to stay at?
If I wait to register for each event on the day they start will I run into long lines?
Best places to play $1/$2 or $2/$5 NLH?
Any recommends on satellites or daily tourneys around the $300-$750 range?
Stop over thinking every little thing and just go with the flow and have fun. That's my best advice for you. You will have a blast.
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06-24-2021 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
What hotel to stay at?
If I wait to register for each event on the day they start will I run into long lines?
Best places to play $1/$2 or $2/$5 NLH?
Any recommends on satellites or daily tourneys around the $300-$750 range?
For convenience, I like the Rio. Not the best facility, but it's right on top of all the action, so it's nice from that standpoint. Gold Coast and Palms are also close. If staying on the strip, Ballys and Harrah's are convenient. Neither is going to blow you away from a quality standpoint, but it's not divetown either.

Best places to play 1/2 and 2/5? Bellagio, Wynn, and Aria for ambience. Some might say PH and MGM Grand have softer games. No harm in jumping around and trying some different rooms. Part of the fun.

For other tournaments, the WSOP runs daily deepstacks that offer solid prize pools at a variety of moderate stakes. They run every day and typically have some nice prizes up top. They've released a satellite schedule and in most years they also run STTs at many stakes throughout the day.

Golden Nugget will have a series running concurrently with the WSOP. Decent chance the Aria, Wynn, PH, Orleans, and Venetian will also have options, as they typically will run a lower stakes series concurrently with the WSOP. Most likely they'll want to soak up some of the player pool.
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06-24-2021 , 01:01 AM
Imo, Caesars is as good as it gets for 1/3 and 2/5 right now.


Unless you much prefer the deeper buy in games like at Wynn.
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06-24-2021 , 04:13 AM
Is the rake on a bounty event set up as % of the non-bounty PP or the total PP? For example event 37 $1.5k w $500 bounty, is rake $110 or $165?
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06-24-2021 , 04:17 AM
For the $25K HU, for players that don't receive a bye, does $11,125 or $11,812.50 enter the prize pool? $11,812.50 is what it should be, but I know there have been debates and disputes about how this event is raked in the past.
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06-24-2021 , 09:11 AM
The Flip N Go looks interesting, although knowing my luck I would flop a 2,7 or 2,2

LOL, the Rio is an okay enough hotel built in early 90s I am sure it is showing its age now.
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06-24-2021 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AceHighExpress
LOL, the Rio is an okay enough hotel built in early 90s I am sure it is showing its age now.
The Rio was built in the 80s (opening was in January of 1990) and has shown its age for over a decade now.

The hotel question is mostly about budget and personal expectations. Another thing to consider is transportation and cost of it.

Some people who rent a house off strip also get a room at Rio for convenience. If you only get a couple hours of sleep anyway a little less comfortable bed might be better than an hour or longer of extra travel time from and to the Rio.
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06-24-2021 , 09:53 AM
Damn an hour commute. Never had nearly that long.

Closer is definitely nice, though.
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06-24-2021 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
The Rio was built in the 80s (opening was in January of 1990) and has shown its age for over a decade now.

The hotel question is mostly about budget and personal expectations. Another thing to consider is transportation and cost of it.

Some people who rent a house off strip also get a room at Rio for convenience. If you only get a couple hours of sleep anyway a little less comfortable bed might be better than an hour or longer of extra travel time from and to the Rio.
with a rewards card and for 4-10 bucks a night some nights comped, could not pass it up. However, the Resort fees will kill you
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06-24-2021 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Any advice for a first time WSOPer who plans to play 3-5 NLH events in the $500-$2500 range in a 7-10 day period?

What hotel to stay at?
If I wait to register for each event on the day they start will I run into long lines?
Best places to play $1/$2 or $2/$5 NLH?
Any recommends on satellites or daily tourneys around the $300-$750 range?
You can see some discussion on this issue in this thread and my own personal opinion for what it is worth. Just enjoy the experience and realize rooms are pricey everywhere this year.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...kings-1791719/

I have been staying mostly at the RIO since 2006 my first WSOP - I go basically every other year depending upon my work schedule. Someone stays at the RIO for the massive convenience of being on property... Going to your room on dinner breaks, all of the Satellite action, etc. The rooms are LARGE but depending on how recent the remodel pretty thread worn but I have always found them clean (unlike some other reports) The Casino itself is a dive in comparison to most others. Eating options are low end marginal with a couple exceptions. Would I stay there if the tournament was at another location -- ABSOLUTELY NOT -- But the convenience outweighs all of the negatives if you are staying any amount of time (a week or so ). Having stayed elsewhere and played the WSOP is just a PITA so unless I would plan on staying the entire month I personally think for the typical dedicated REC player the RIO is the best choice as long as you don't have unrealistic expectations of the facility.
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06-24-2021 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Damn an hour commute. Never had nearly that long.
30 minutes each way, including getting to Uber pickup and from drop-off to your room isn't that much. If you stay at a place like MGM it might take you 10-15 minutes just to walk from drop-off to your room..

In the past we usually tried to leave the hotel room 40-45 minutes before the time we wanted to be in the Rio convention center just to be safe for traffic and stuff.
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06-24-2021 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by floattheboat
For the $25K HU, for players that don't receive a bye, does $11,125 or $11,812.50 enter the prize pool? $11,812.50 is what it should be, but I know there have been debates and disputes about how this event is raked in the past.
The chances the $25,000 Heads-Up does NOT sell out are slim to none, imo.


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Originally Posted by floattheboat
Is the rake on a bounty event set up as % of the non-bounty PP or the total PP? For example event 37 $1.5k w $500 bounty, is rake $110 or $165?
As the bounty is part of the prize pool, the rake should be calculated as $165.

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Originally Posted by floattheboat
What about the other events (that only lists 14 of them)? When will the structure sheets be available? Where did the info on those 14 events come from?
The 14 events cover all of the price points from tournaments at the 2019 and 2021 WSOP.

The $250,000 Super High Roller has 0.4% rake, FYI

Last edited by Kevmath; 06-24-2021 at 11:05 AM.
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06-24-2021 , 11:49 AM
I just booked a very nice Air BnB literally next door to the Rio (8-10 min walk) for $88/night. $598 total for 6 days. Even the cheapest hotel available was still more expensive than this. Literally the next day the price rose to $200/night. Start booking now don't wait...
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06-24-2021 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
30 minutes each way, including getting to Uber pickup and from drop-off to your room isn't that much. If you stay at a place like MGM it might take you 10-15 minutes just to walk from drop-off to your room..

In the past we usually tried to leave the hotel room 40-45 minutes before the time we wanted to be in the Rio convention center just to be safe for traffic and stuff.
Ah yeah you mentioned a house off strip so I assumed house plus rental car.

Lyfting around Vegas took a while a couple weeks ago for sure.
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