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View Poll Results: Should the WSOP exclude unvaccinated players?
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07-25-2021 , 05:05 PM
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07-25-2021 , 06:46 PM
Don't all pros raise 3-5xs big blind in almost every tournament they play?
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07-25-2021 , 06:54 PM
You are kidding right? Generally once the ante kicks in, 2x, 2.3x or 2.5x if you are opening.
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07-25-2021 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
we already told you so about no mask, no plexi poker by summer. which followed 6-9 months of doomers saying tourneys will probably never come back at all lol
Show me 5 posts of people saying MTTs will never come back at all. Not 9 months of it, just show me 5.

Or are you just continuing to chat absolute guff?
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07-25-2021 , 09:07 PM
LOL @ all the armchair virologists ITT.
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07-25-2021 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
You are kidding right? Generally once the ante kicks in, 2x, 2.3x or 2.5x if you are opening.
I always go straight 3x. everytime I go 4-5x I have and will do get burned. Don't know why it works out that way?

The pros I have played against pound away and 3-5x all the time even when they have crap hands. Then every once in a while they will throw out a huge bet on a position hand. Always seems to come depends on the pro though.

I am just glad WSOP finally wised up and stopped the multiple fight unlimited buy ins.
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07-25-2021 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AceHighExpress
I always go straight 3x. everytime I go 4-5x I have and will do get burned. Don't know why it works out that way?

The pros I have played against pound away and 3-5x all the time even when they have crap hands. Then every once in a while they will throw out a huge bet on a position hand. Always seems to come depends on the pro though.

I am just glad WSOP finally wised up and stopped the multiple fight unlimited buy ins.
This is kind of an old school way of playing. And by old school I mean 5-10 years ago. Minraises or slightly more are now the norm.

Where are you playing where the “pros” are raising that much? They seem to be falling behind the times.
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07-26-2021 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
IRT smallpox dealing with it was quite political. WHO could not come close to dealing with it for political reasons. It took a combined effort of polarized US and USSR to get the job done over several years. Without their recognition of WHO failure and cooperation the world would still likely be suffering from smallpox outbreaks.

The basic point is that COVID is not smallpox or polio or anything the world has ever seen. Anything done in the past is basically irrelevant.
In your aforementioned, you discount the fact with your conclusion that anything done in the past is irrelevant. I couldn't disagree more. The fact that the polarized US and USSR cooperated to get the job done against smallpox IS relevant. Smallpox may not have been defeated as fast if not for such political cooperation between superpower countries. Now, China, where the source of the pandemic most likely originated is NOT cooperating with the US.

AND the fact that there was minimal if not any resistance toward a new treatment (aka vaccines) against the smallpox among the populace back then discounts the troubling resistance to vaccines now. I do NOT believe we had half the populace of the US back then politically debating taking up treatment against other diseases like Polio! We got a preview of this disease politics with renewed measles outbreaks occurring a few years prior to now. Point still stands: This bs politics of today may/will/likely prolong things we love like live poker returning to normal. Everyone who is eligible based on scientific guidelines should get the vaccine asap, encourage others to get it too and all may be safer and get back to a normal life sooner. Risk/reward - EVERYONE is going to get some form of this virus in them inevitably imho. The only question is which do you choose - the natural strain in all its potential glory or a weakened strain via vaccines that enhance/prepare your immune system better for it. Call it lesser of two evils if you want.

Last edited by HurtLocker; 07-26-2021 at 08:24 AM.
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07-26-2021 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HurtLocker
or a weakened strain via vaccines that enhance/prepare your immune system better for it. Call it lesser of two evils if you want.
Your point stands, but one correction: all the COVID-19 vaccines available do not actually contain the virus. Simple explanation here: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coro...ither/2507394/
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07-26-2021 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
This is kind of an old school way of playing. And by old school I mean 5-10 years ago. Minraises or slightly more are now the norm.

Where are you playing where the “pros” are raising that much? They seem to be falling behind the times.
Scott Stewart, not like I am meaning to name drop nor that I care but he pounded away at 3x-5x every dam hand. Come to think of it that was 4 years ago and I have not played in over 18 months (which also was my last cash) since COVID and am going to try and make a small 50k guarantee this weekend if I can. I have had some personal issues that I have been dealing with on top of the COVID outbreak.

Love me some poker though.
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07-26-2021 , 12:11 PM
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...iant-concerns/

The pointless political ban (while more 'dangerous' countries are allowed in) continues
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07-26-2021 , 01:31 PM
what if we all wore hazmat suits at the table?
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07-26-2021 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ejames209
what if we all wore hazmat suits at the table?
LOL, it may come to that.

I think masks are bad enough though. RAIIISSSSEEEEEx3
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07-26-2021 , 03:52 PM
This seems like it will have a large effect on the wsop player field

https://apple.news/A2IC7_kaERlGcHksu8HF5Jw
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07-26-2021 , 04:02 PM
State Officials Warn Against Traveling To Vegas As Cases Continue To Rise


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The COVID-19 Situation In Las Vegas

The Clark County Commission had an emergency meeting to discuss the rising cases in the city. They decided to enforce masks on all employees working indoors regardless of their vaccination status. However, the city also introduced the following restrictions:
  • Event venues of over 250 people will have to submit COVID-19 mitigation plans for festivals and large events.
  • The city will push for more people to get vaccinated.
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07-26-2021 , 04:52 PM
Was reading about the surge in cases in Los Angeles, I think the statistic was 99% of those requiring hospitalization were unvaccinated. Seems pretty obvious what the solution is.
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07-26-2021 , 05:07 PM
The solution is we don't give a **** about the unvaccinated. You let them make their own decisions and you do not punish the vaccinated.
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07-26-2021 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
The solution is we don't give a **** about the unvaccinated. You let them make their own decisions and you do not punish the vaccinated.
The issue is that those unvaccinated people will hang around other people that do not have the ability to make a decision to get the shot or not for various reasons -- they're too young, or immuno-suppressed, etc.. That's why we should give a **** about the unvaxxed -- they can, and will, spread COVID to innocent people.

If it were up to me, I would require all citizens to get the COVID vaccination*, with various punishments for those who refuse, in the name of public health. This would massively curtail the spread of COVID and save thousands of lives. But, I'm aware that the transactional, capitalistic, ravenously individualistic society in which we live would never ever go for such a thing, so I don't go creating dozens of posts whining about other people not agreeing with my views on COVID -- unlike some people I know...

And for the record, I am not a "doomer" in any way, I very very much want this WSOP to run as planned, and in fact just booked my trip to Vegas. 99% of the people you call WSOP "doomers" genuinely want the WSOP to be held. They're just people who have the ability to feel empathy for individuals they don't personally know.


*I'm sure there's an exception or two out there, I don't want to hear about some specific case where a person cannot receive the vaxx as some attempted refutation of my argument

Last edited by madlex; 07-26-2021 at 08:49 PM. Reason: insult removed
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07-26-2021 , 05:46 PM
What should be the punishment for refusing to get the vaccine? Fines & jail? If so, how much?
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07-26-2021 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
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If it were up to me, I would require all citizens to get the COVID vaccination*, with various punishments for those who refuse, in the name of public health.


..
Move to France if you want that sort of government over-reach.
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07-26-2021 , 05:54 PM
We had a lively discussion at work today with the news California will require all state employees and all health care workers to either get vaccinated or get tested every week.

Closer to home, I just heard from a friend who has been fully vaccinated for some time that he has tested positive and he feels like crap.

Last edited by Doc T River; 07-26-2021 at 05:57 PM. Reason: Fortunately, I haven't seen him in person for about a month and a half.
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07-26-2021 , 06:19 PM
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What should be the punishment for refusing to get the vaccine? Fines & jail? If so, how much?
I'm not sure. I would want to start with more minor punishments than prison. I'm keenly aware of the fact that our prisons are already overcrowded, and I don't want to make that problem even worse. If we were to release most or all of the non-violent offenders, drug offenders, etc., it might be a different story. But even in that case I would strongly prefer to do stuff like putting a lien on non-complier's bank accounts and property, etc. Or, if they live with young children, I would have Social Services take away said children until the adult non-complier is vaxxed. I imagine these types of measures will take care of 90+% of the cases in question, with little-to-no jail time.

I freely admit I haven't thought much about the specifics. Mainly because this would clearly never ever happen in 'Merica, and as such it's basically mental masturbation.

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Originally Posted by fozzy71
Move to France if you want that sort of government over-reach.
lol

"If you don't like it, you can GIT OUT!" High class argument there. Same thing the rednecks on South Park say.

Y'all are so concerned with gov't "over-reach". What about "under-reach"? It's long been demonstrated that individual humans are:

- not capable of making rational decisions for themselves and the people over whom they watch, and;

- not even close to capable of making sound decisions on behalf of the public good

We very obviously need large and powerful state entities to protect people from themselves (and to redistribute wealth to those who desperately need it, etc etc etc.)

Last edited by DifferentName; 07-26-2021 at 06:34 PM.
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07-26-2021 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
We had a lively discussion at work today with the news California will require all state employees and all health care workers to either get vaccinated or get tested every week.

Closer to home, I just heard from a friend who has been fully vaccinated for some time that he has tested positive and he feels like crap.
Yes, but he won’t end up on a ventilator in the hospital, thx to the vax.
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07-26-2021 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
The issue is that those unvaccinated people will hang around other people that do not have the ability to make a decision to get the shot or not for various reasons -- they're too young, or immuno-suppressed, etc.. That's why we should give a **** about the unvaxxed -- they can, and will, spread COVID to innocent people.

If it were up to me, I would require all citizens to get the COVID vaccination*, with various punishments for those who refuse, in the name of public health. This would massively curtail the spread of COVID and save thousands of lives. But, I'm aware that the transactional, capitalistic, ravenously individualistic society in which we live would never ever go for such a thing, so I don't go creating dozens of posts whining about other people not agreeing with my views on COVID -- unlike some people I know...

And for the record, I am not a "doomer" in any way, I very very much want this WSOP to run as planned, and in fact just booked my trip to Vegas. 99% of the people you call WSOP "doomers" genuinely want the WSOP to be held. They're just people who have the ability to feel empathy for individuals they don't personally know.


*I'm sure there's an exception or two out there, I don't want to hear about some specific case where a person cannot receive the vaxx as some attempted refutation of my argument
It helps if you’re going to propose something controversial to avoid sounding completely insane and angry. Also, this is a no politics zone.

Last edited by madlex; 07-26-2021 at 08:50 PM. Reason: quote fixed
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07-26-2021 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
I'm not sure. I would want to start with more minor punishments than prison. I'm keenly aware of the fact that our prisons are already overcrowded, and I don't want to make that problem even worse. If we were to release most or all of the non-violent offenders, drug offenders, etc., it might be a different story. But even in that case I would strongly prefer to do stuff like putting a lien on non-compliers' bank accounts and property, etc. Or, if they live with young children, I would have social services take away said children until the adult non-complier is vaxxed. I imagine these types of measures will take care of 90+% of the cases in question, with little to no jail time.
Would this only apply to the covid vaccine, or would it be applicable to other/all contagions?
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